"leef;579636" wrote:
@lianara
So you actually think i'm right, but because its an unproveable assumption with a flawed premise I'm technically wrong ?
"You would essentially claim that just because I can't disprove something you can't prove, you are right."
This is actually what you did, dismissing the argument because there is no proof. I only called it an hollow argument wich doesnt help us get closer to a consensus about what is best for the forum. I never claimed that was the reason i'm right. You on the other hand did claim i'm wrong because i can't proof it.
I made a solid case for what i believe is going on on this forum. Dismiss it if you want. I just hope if the negativity is influencing individuals negativily, that they become self-aware and re-evaluate their forum-posting behaviour. I think that would make the forum a much healthier place.
I didn't claim your conclusion was wrong, and I also didn't claim it was right (as I have no data to back up any of it). I did however say that your argument is completely empty as it has no basis on facts. The burden is on you to put forth a proof of your argument, not for me to disprove it. Thus, I am claiming that your argument itself is worthless, hollow as you called it.
You made no actual case (calling it solid?? Seriously?), just made a guess and are claiming that because I can't disprove it, you are somehow right. That is precisely the logical flaw.
You keep thinking I am debating your conclusion - I am not, as I have no data (and neither do you) to have this conclusion backed by fact. I am pointing out that the actual claim by OP (and your support for it) is a logical fallacy. Your conclusion isn't invalid because I have proof to contrary, your conclusion is invalid because YOU haven't provided any proof of it.
OP put out a claim that forum posters are engaged in groupthink. That they may not necessarily have an issue, but are claiming that issue because they want to belong to that group of unhappy players. You further claimed that negative post have a snowball effect.
1. Groupthink is not about multiple people posting same complaint.
2. You have no basis to claim snowball effect, have no data to back it up.
3. You claim that my dismissing your argument as baseless is a logical fallacy. Unfortunately for you, It's not how logical fallacies are defined. When you argue something, prove it. Don't accuse those claiming your argument is INVALID (not WRONG) of not being able to disprove it. It is impossible to disprove existence of pink unicorns in nature, but it doesn't mean that anyone claiming they exist have a valid argument in that case.
4. You think there are only two conclusions - either you are right that there is a groupthink/ snowball effect (which you believe you backed up with a solid case), or I'm am right and there isn't (which you claim I didn't back up). There is a third option - that there is no way to actually claim such argument due to lack of data, making it neither true nor false. Which is actually what my point is.
5. If it turns out that majority of forum posters have no issues but are complaining under influence due to negative posts, I will concede you are right. I am curious how you would provide any 'solid case' to prove it.
I have been a member of many forums (some photography forums as well) where any complain against particular piece of gear was met with the same ridicule. Those forums usually die after a while or turn away anyone that believe they have genuine issues or anyone genuinely trying to help. There is nothing worse on the forums than derisively dismissing complaints.
