If you were the player on the left how would you win this GA match up? Then please expound upon how a discord bot can do this comparison and why such a tool is not utilized to help create competitive GA match ups?Dar Penthar vs GG========== Overview ==========GP :: 3.5M vs 3.5MToon GP :: 2.1M vs 2.1MShip GP :: 1.4M vs 1.4MSquad rank :: 61 vs 8Fleet rank :: 65 vs 8Zetas :: 29 vs 32G11 :: 19 vs 7G12 :: 23 vs 55G12+1 :: 2 vs 10G12+2 :: 1 vs 4G12+3 :: 10 vs 5G12+4 :: 0 vs 4G12+5 :: 0 vs 76 dot Mods :: 14 vs 52Speed+10 :: 215 vs 153Speed+15 :: 46 vs 59Speed+20 :: 11 vs 13Off+100 :: 13 vs 25===== Jedi Knight Revan =====GP :: 26K vs 27KRarity :: 7 vs 7Gear :: 12+3 vs 12+5Zetas :: 3 vs 3Speed :: 250 vs 281dmg (P) :: 3,060 vs 2,744dmg (S) :: 5,392 vs 4,833======== Darth Revan ========GP :: 0 vs 27KRarity :: 0 vs 7Gear :: 0 vs 12+5Zetas :: 0 vs 3Speed :: 0 vs 325dmg (P) :: 0 vs 2,687dmg (S) :: 0 vs 5,326======== Darth Malak ========GP :: 0 vs 17KRarity :: 0 vs 5Gear :: 0 vs 11+4Zetas :: 0 vs 1Speed :: 0 vs 253dmg (P) :: 0 vs 2,559dmg (S) :: 0 vs 1,357======== Darth Traya ========GP :: 0 vs 20KRarity :: 0 vs 6Gear :: 0 vs 11+4Zetas :: 0 vs 2Speed :: 0 vs 235dmg (P) :: 0 vs 2,178dmg (S) :: 0 vs 4,732=========== Bossk ===========GP :: 21K vs 23KRarity :: 7 vs 7Gear :: 12+1 vs 12+1Zetas :: 1 vs 2Speed :: 246 vs 221dmg (P) :: 3,006 vs 2,864dmg (S) :: 2,389 vs 2,259========= Enfys Nest =========GP :: 5K vs 21KRarity :: 7 vs 7Gear :: 1 vs 12+4Zetas :: 0 vs 1Speed :: 110 vs 192dmg (P) :: 59 vs 2,889dmg (S) :: 38 vs 1,941== Commander Luke Skywalker ==GP :: 24K vs 21KRarity :: 7 vs 7Gear :: 12+3 vs 12+1Zetas :: 2 vs 1Speed :: 261 vs 232dmg (P) :: 3,536 vs 3,564dmg (S) :: 2,135 vs 2,113=========== C-3PO ===========GP :: 22K vs 20KRarity :: 7 vs 7Gear :: 12+1 vs 12Zetas :: 1 vs 0Speed :: 235 vs 225dmg (P) :: 2,188 vs 2,189dmg (S) :: 3,579 vs 3,582

"BaldingHead90;c-1843336" wrote:You wouldn't, why don't u have Traya?You're asking the wrong question... the better question would be why match these two opponents up when one really can't compete with the other. One sided competitions aren't compelling or entertaining for either side. Would you go watch a high school basketball team compete against 2nd graders?

"Vendi1983;c-1843342" wrote:7* Nest with zero investment? Interesting choice.If you don't have the gear to make her g12 then why would you gear her up? Need to gear up the Darth Revan OR toons first =(

"Dar_Penthar;c-1843344" wrote:"BaldingHead90;c-1843336" wrote:You wouldn't, why don't u have Traya?You're asking the wrong question... the better question would be why match these two opponents up when one really can't compete with the other. One sided competitions aren't compelling or entertaining for either side. Would you go watch a high school basketball team compete against 2nd graders? I had something similar because I made a noob mistake had loads of toons that I geared up to like gear 7/8 that have just inflated my roster GP. I would just say from here on only stick gear on toons that you know will be useful and try not to promote anybody either unless you know they will be useful to you at some point. feels bad man but can only try to learn from it and sort it the best you can for the future

The matchmaking algorithm simply can't go through every single character in your roster and gauge whether or not it's a "fair" match. It would have to say "well, player B has Traya and player A doesn't, but player A does have Thrawn and Magma so let's check their speeds to see if player A has a shot at beating player B's Traya. Now moving on, let's look at possible JKR counters..."It would be a massively unwieldy algorithm unless they just kept all those stats for every player in anticipation of each GA. The algorithm would have to be reworked every time a new character came out to account for new counters and things as well. Much better to just do it based on GP and let people optimize their rosters or not. Do you want players to only ever be matched up against players who have the same top 50 characters as themselves? Is the solution to these unfair matches to make it so every battle is 100% mirror matches that are won by speed mods? Sounds boring to me. To answer your question, save CLS for offense since yours can probably beat his JKR and can definitely beat his Traya. Hope he doesn't put DR on defense, but since he has Malak he probably will. It's kind of up to what he puts on defense. If he doesn't put Malak AND JKR AND Traya down, you have a shot at winning due to banners. If he does, then you just got a bad coin flip and you may lose.At 3.5 million gp you really should have Traya, why don't you? That alone will make a big difference. At your gp level, you will probably never run into someone who doesn't have her yet, so you need her to compete. This GA may be a loss for you, but if you focus hard on getting Traya and prepping for the next DR event (and get your JKR faster, man), you will find future matches easier.

I'd save all my good teams for offense and go full burn. Maybe leave Bossk on D depending on how strong the other bounty hunters are, but the rest of my defense would be B and C teams.Obviously still at a huge disadvantage, but you can use your Revan to beat one of his and possibly CLS to beat the other, assuming he leaves both on D. If you can pull that off and play the rest of your offense well, you have an outside chance. Ideally you wouldn't have to chew through both Revans AND Traya, and the other guy would use at least one of those for offense, but you can't control that obviously."BaldingHead90;c-1843336" wrote:You wouldn't, why don't u have Traya?This is a dumb question. Obviously they are in a guild that either can't beat HSith yet, or hasn't been farming it long enough to unlock her.

GA Match Up - Explain on how you would win?

dpaulp93289
6 years ago
"BaldingHead90;c-1843336" wrote:
You wouldn't, why don't u have Traya?

You're asking the wrong question... the better question would be why match these two opponents up when one really can't compete with the other. One sided competitions aren't compelling or entertaining for either side. Would you go watch a high school basketball team compete against 2nd graders?
dpaulp93289
6 years ago
"Vendi1983;c-1843342" wrote:
7* Nest with zero investment? Interesting choice.

If you don't have the gear to make her g12 then why would you gear her up? Need to gear up the Darth Revan OR toons first =(
__Love__
6 years ago
"Dar_Penthar;c-1843344" wrote:
"BaldingHead90;c-1843336" wrote:
You wouldn't, why don't u have Traya?

You're asking the wrong question... the better question would be why match these two opponents up when one really can't compete with the other. One sided competitions aren't compelling or entertaining for either side. Would you go watch a high school basketball team compete against 2nd graders?

I had something similar because I made a noob mistake had loads of toons that I geared up to like gear 7/8 that have just inflated my roster GP. I would just say from here on only stick gear on toons that you know will be useful and try not to promote anybody either unless you know they will be useful to you at some point. feels bad man but can only try to learn from it and sort it the best you can for the future
ButtrmlkPncakes
6 years ago
The matchmaking algorithm simply can't go through every single character in your roster and gauge whether or not it's a "fair" match. It would have to say "well, player B has Traya and player A doesn't, but player A does have Thrawn and Magma so let's check their speeds to see if player A has a shot at beating player B's Traya. Now moving on, let's look at possible JKR counters..."
It would be a massively unwieldy algorithm unless they just kept all those stats for every player in anticipation of each GA. The algorithm would have to be reworked every time a new character came out to account for new counters and things as well. Much better to just do it based on GP and let people optimize their rosters or not. Do you want players to only ever be matched up against players who have the same top 50 characters as themselves? Is the solution to these unfair matches to make it so every battle is 100% mirror matches that are won by speed mods? Sounds boring to me.

To answer your question, save CLS for offense since yours can probably beat his JKR and can definitely beat his Traya. Hope he doesn't put DR on defense, but since he has Malak he probably will. It's kind of up to what he puts on defense. If he doesn't put Malak AND JKR AND Traya down, you have a shot at winning due to banners. If he does, then you just got a bad coin flip and you may lose.

At 3.5 million gp you really should have Traya, why don't you? That alone will make a big difference. At your gp level, you will probably never run into someone who doesn't have her yet, so you need her to compete. This GA may be a loss for you, but if you focus hard on getting Traya and prepping for the next DR event (and get your JKR faster, man), you will find future matches easier.
Vaderizer
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
I'd save all my good teams for offense and go full burn. Maybe leave Bossk on D depending on how strong the other bounty hunters are, but the rest of my defense would be B and C teams.

Obviously still at a huge disadvantage, but you can use your Revan to beat one of his and possibly CLS to beat the other, assuming he leaves both on D. If you can pull that off and play the rest of your offense well, you have an outside chance. Ideally you wouldn't have to chew through both Revans AND Traya, and the other guy would use at least one of those for offense, but you can't control that obviously.

"BaldingHead90;c-1843336" wrote:
You wouldn't, why don't u have Traya?

This is a dumb question. Obviously they are in a guild that either can't beat HSith yet, or hasn't been farming it long enough to unlock her.
GladOS-013
Hero+
6 years ago
The more complicated the algorithm, the smaller the pool of candidates against which each player can be matched. This would mean that certain groups of people with similarly developed rosters would just play each other over and over again.

Why should a player who has not used their resources effectively be rewarded with an "easier" opponent? Why should a player who has used their resources effectively always be matched against a very difficult opponent?

By matching by GP, players will see the entire range - "good" players and "bad" players across every GP span. If your roster is inefficient compared to most people at your GP range - then most of your matchups will be against players with better rosters. If your roster is efficient compared to your GP-peers, then most of your matchups will be against players with weaker rosters. If your roster is "in the middle", then about half your matchups will be easy, and half will be hard.

Then, if you win, expect each subsequent round to be a little tougher. If you lose, each subsequent round should get easier.
MasterSki34
6 years ago
"ButtrmlkPncakes;c-1843357" wrote:
The matchmaking algorithm simply can't go through every single character in your roster and gauge whether or not it's a "fair" match. It would have to say "well, player B has Traya and player A doesn't, but player A does have Thrawn and Magma so let's check their speeds to see if player A has a shot at beating player B's Traya. Now moving on, let's look at possible JKR counters..."
It would be a massively unwieldy algorithm unless they just kept all those stats for every player in anticipation of each GA. The algorithm would have to be reworked every time a new character came out to account for new counters and things as well. Much better to just do it based on GP and let people optimize their rosters or not. Do you want players to only ever be matched up against players who have the same top 50 characters as themselves? Is the solution to these unfair matches to make it so every battle is 100% mirror matches that are won by speed mods? Sounds boring to me.

The better solution is to change the GP calculation itself to more accurately reflect utility. For example, the points allocated for gear are almost linear, when they should actually be exponential. A G12+3 character is 177748 GP while a G8+3 is 13648; in no universe is the latter 75% of the value of the former. Character rarity is also overvalued in the calculation, with the jump from 6* to 7* adding over 3000 GP by itself!

There's nothing wrong with the matchmaking algorithm; it's the underlying data that isn't very good. Redoing the GP formula would result in matchups that at least had a relatively consistent amount of G12 characters and zetas, while still giving a wide variety in roster types and mods. Wouldn't be mirrors, as the algorithm wouldn't differentiate between G12 Lobot and G12 Palpatine or between zetas on Bastila and Clone Wars Chewbacca. Bad rosters would still be bad, and good rosters would still be good, but there'd be a lot less of the ugly matchups where one guy has 50 G12 & 10 G1 and the other guy has 10 G12 & 55 G8.

The sub-G8 gear isn't a limited resource and doesn't bring characters to a useable level, ergo it really shouldn't be worth nearly any GP. As they say in the big data business; garbage in, garbage out.
Darkknight10224
6 years ago
Good luck in the losers bracket. He has done a better job focusing his roster. Same GP so you have no argument. Sorry but those are the facts.
dpaulp93289
6 years ago
"Wxrlock;c-1843420" wrote:
Good luck in the losers bracket. He has done a better job focusing his roster. Same GP so you have no argument. Sorry but those are the facts.

I appreciate you utilizing all your brain power and thinking outside the box to essentially say "get gud" while offering no advice on how to be competitive in a competitive game mode. Your contributions to society are undoubtedly immeasurable...
Waquira
6 years ago
"Dar_Penthar;c-1843425" wrote:
"Wxrlock;c-1843420" wrote:
Good luck in the losers bracket. He has done a better job focusing his roster. Same GP so you have no argument. Sorry but those are the facts.

I appreciate you utilizing all your brain power and thinking outside the box to essentially say "get gud" while offering no advice on how to be competitive in a competitive game mode. Your contributions to society are undoubtedly immeasurable...

Competetive game mode? Exactly! That's why a well developed roster will have an advantage over less well developed roster. It's all part of the competition.