GAC matchmaking system

"RandomSithLord;c-2190012" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2190001" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2189535" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2189531" wrote:
Agree, original GP MM was fair than this one, sure for 3v3

For what reason? It is definitely fairer now.

Not agree, higher GP player have a lot of teams than can use to attack and put the best one in defence. You can use more than 80 teams during a GA match.

How many of your characters outside of top 80 are actually useful? How many would do better if you actually had them at higher gear? Doubtful that having a g12-g13 Phoenix squad over a g8-g11 one allows you to have the flexibility of placing more meta squads.

High roster have a lot of good G12 (and G13) teams not top ranked.

"LastNeuron;c-2190040" wrote:

"RandomSithLord;c-2190012" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2190001" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2189535" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2189531" wrote:
Agree, original GP MM was fair than this one, sure for 3v3

For what reason? It is definitely fairer now.

Not agree, higher GP player have a lot of teams than can use to attack and put the best one in defence. You can use more than 80 teams during a GA match.

How many of your characters outside of top 80 are actually useful? How many would do better if you actually had them at higher gear? Doubtful that having a g12-g13 Phoenix squad over a g8-g11 one allows you to have the flexibility of placing more meta squads.

High roster have a lot of good G12 (and G13) teams not top ranked.

And most people playing in those leagues already realized total GP makes little to no difference.

Are you trying to create a non-existent problem based on what you imagine other people struggle with (hint: they don't, when g13 falls out of your top 80, you usually have a good enough roster to not rely on your below B/C-tier teams) or you actually ended up burning through all your roster wishing you had another g11/12 team (that's not in top 80)?

"LastNeuron;c-2190040" wrote:

"RandomSithLord;c-2190012" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2190001" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2189535" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2189531" wrote:
Agree, original GP MM was fair than this one, sure for 3v3

For what reason? It is definitely fairer now.

Not agree, higher GP player have a lot of teams than can use to attack and put the best one in defence. You can use more than 80 teams during a GA match.

How many of your characters outside of top 80 are actually useful? How many would do better if you actually had them at higher gear? Doubtful that having a g12-g13 Phoenix squad over a g8-g11 one allows you to have the flexibility of placing more meta squads.

High roster have a lot of good G12 (and G13) teams not top ranked.

My experience from checking GAC histories is that they don't use all those extra g12/g13 teams they may have access to to win rounds but they rather use more or less the same teams/characters with only little variation round after round to win. You could check your own GAC history to see if it's the same for you.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2190044" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2190040" wrote:

"RandomSithLord;c-2190012" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2190001" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2189535" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2189531" wrote:
Agree, original GP MM was fair than this one, sure for 3v3

For what reason? It is definitely fairer now.

Not agree, higher GP player have a lot of teams than can use to attack and put the best one in defence. You can use more than 80 teams during a GA match.

How many of your characters outside of top 80 are actually useful? How many would do better if you actually had them at higher gear? Doubtful that having a g12-g13 Phoenix squad over a g8-g11 one allows you to have the flexibility of placing more meta squads.

High roster have a lot of good G12 (and G13) teams not top ranked.

At what level are you talking about?

I’m 6.6M GP, and I’ve got next to nothing outside my top 80 that gets used.

At 5.8m gp I use Sun Fac, Dengar, Geo Spy, Death Trooper, IG-100, Vet Han, L3, Poggle, TFP, Cad Bane, IG-88 (sometimes - GG nuke), Geo Soldier, Darth Nih, NS Spirt, HR Scout, NS Acolyte, Nest, Shoretrooper, Starck, Snowtrooper, Range Trooper, CwC.

"LastNeuron;c-2190001" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2189535" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2189531" wrote:
Agree, original GP MM was fair than this one, sure for 3v3

For what reason? It is definitely fairer now.

Not agree, higher GP player have a lot of teams than can use to attack and put the best one in defence. You can use more than 80 teams during a GA match.

The more characters you use, the less likely you are to win.

"Rath_Tarr;c-2190082" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2190001" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2189535" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2189531" wrote:
Agree, original GP MM was fair than this one, sure for 3v3

For what reason? It is definitely fairer now.

Not agree, higher GP player have a lot of teams than can use to attack and put the best one in defence. You can use more than 80 teams during a GA match.

The more characters you use, the less likely you are to win.

Well ultimately yes, but I showed I use a bunch outside of my top 80 and I win almost all my matchups.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2189972" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2189955" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2189642" wrote:

"LastNeuron;c-2189531" wrote:
Agree, original GP MM was fair than this one, sure for 3v3

You could argue that both MM designs were fair. However, the current system creates significantly more even matches and doesn't disincentivise building the lower part of your roster like the old design did.

This. Both systems are fine. There are arguments for either. There are people who will do better under one than another.

But as in any game, fairness is determined more by the rules applying equally to everyone. And under either matchmaking system, they do. So they are fair.

It's like creating house rules in monopoly. A whole assortment of different rules can be fair as long as they apply equally to all players.

Unfortunately adding GAC was like staring a monopoly game with whatever money you had. No set of rules at that point will be perfect. But any set of uniform rules that base matchmaking on resources put into the game are fair.

One idea for another matchmaking system that would be interesting to see if they could somehow measure resources collected and base matchmaking on that rather than resources used. It would be similar to the original gp matchmaking except it would include hoarded Crystal's and gear at the rate it raises gp. Basically it wouldn't matter whether you gear the low end or hoard because matchmaking would treat both equally.

Probably not feasible but it would be interesting.

I would also be ok with it if they mixed up the matchmaking every so often. Have one gac based on total gp and another based on top 80. Maybe alternate. It's like playing monopoly with extra money one game and without the next. Some people will do better one way and others will do better another way.

I don’t know if I agree that both systems are fine.

Kyno mentioned it above - if we match on total GP then people are forced to live with the consequences of every single item of gear, zeta, level that they’ve applied to any toon or ship in their roster. There is nothing anyone can do to rectify mistakes, or to rectify what was originally a perfectly valid strategy of gearing / levelling everything.

That’s what made that system worse than the current one. At least now you can do something to manipulate your matchmaking GP positively over time.

Your opponents are in the same boat so it is still fair. I'm not saying it is inherently better than what it is now. Just that it isn't unfair.

And after awhile your GP at the top becomes high enough that the sea of g8 characters at the bottom of your roster becomes a very small portion of your gp. I doubt that tb fluff would play much of a role in a division one matchmaking (assuming you stopped gearing useless characters when gac became a thing). The characters you have to relic to get a GL put a much heavier anchor on your roster than a bunch of g8. And that happens under the current system as well.

2 GLs? Pfff hold my drink hahaha.

"MetaThumper;c-2191106" wrote:
2 GLs? Pfff hold my drink hahaha.

I've had someone with 3 in my group but I at least have one lol. The 20 extra zetas must make up the gp difference and that's another issue with mm.

It's an issue with roster construction.