Now that gac is more important than ever, I believe CG needs to address the competitive advantage to going 2nd. There is an obvious strategy advantage to knowing how your opponent performed per battle or the overall score you need to beat. It will literally dictate when they should go conservative or have to push for extra banners. This kind of advantage shouldn't be overlooked any further and needs be addressed. I will almost never get this advantage due to irl scheduling. Gac starts when I am at work and the only time I can truly sit down and out the time in to play is within the first 8 hours. This will almost always never give me the advantage. The cleanest way to do this is top stop showing the live score and just show the results at the end or rotate the start times to accommodate a global player base. Any thoughts? @CG_SBCrumb_MINI @CG_Doja_Fett_MINI

I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can. Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make?

"Salatious_Scrum;c-2325029" wrote:I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can. Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make? If I know I don't have to underman then why take the risk. Knowing whether or not I need/have to is the advantage. Also, let's stay on subject and not worry about how I respond in the forums.

"Artumas;c-2325030" wrote:"Salatious_Scrum;c-2325029" wrote:I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can. Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make? I win like 90% of my matches just by full clearing.I CAN win stuff like JKR mirrors, CLS vs GAS, etc. when down a slot, but it's not 100% consistent like using the full team is.If I KNOW I need to do those low-mans to win, I will. Also stuff like using Palp/DV against GAS instead of CLS, so CLS can get a solo win against a weaker team or a 2-3-man win against a decent team.If I KNOW I don't need to do those low-mans, I'll just go with the guaranteed full team wins that aren't at all risky.That's purely an advantage for going second. Always has been. And it matters a LOT more now that banners don't actually mean anything aside from who wins the individual match, as there's absolutely no reason to do risky plays now that there's zero rewards for doing it unless it's necessary to win.well said.

In regards to undermanning, if you take the risk you can get rewarded with extra banners. If you don’t you won’t get extra banners. Take Geonosians as an example. It’s an easy team to under-man by using Darth Vader and possible a second character like Thrawn. Can you run a full team to positively nuke them? Sure, same as you being able to just take those 2 and doing the same. Then there are teams where under-manning is a ridiculous proposition, like if someone places JMK w CAT on defense.As for the argument of running a full team to get a guaranteed win or running -1 person, like the CLS v JKR fight mentioned earlier, I don’t get why you’d want to underman a team you only have a chance at beating down one character. If you lose congrats you just lost CLS’ team, which realistically should be used elsewhere.“Let’s stay on subject to this post” can be applied to any post made on the forums. Tagging the devs in a lot of your posts doesn’t mean you can magically summon them. So yes this is on topic since it’s being posted here…

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Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can.

Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make?
tward930
New Spectator
3 years ago

OP after their attacks
LukeDukem8
New Spectator
3 years ago
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2325029" wrote:
I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can.

Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make?

If I know I don't have to underman then why take the risk. Knowing whether or not I need/have to is the advantage.

Also, let's stay on subject and not worry about how I respond in the forums.
LukeDukem8
New Spectator
3 years ago
"Artumas;c-2325030" wrote:
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2325029" wrote:
I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can.

Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make?

I win like 90% of my matches just by full clearing.
I CAN win stuff like JKR mirrors, CLS vs GAS, etc. when down a slot, but it's not 100% consistent like using the full team is.
If I KNOW I need to do those low-mans to win, I will. Also stuff like using Palp/DV against GAS instead of CLS, so CLS can get a solo win against a weaker team or a 2-3-man win against a decent team.
If I KNOW I don't need to do those low-mans, I'll just go with the guaranteed full team wins that aren't at all risky.

That's purely an advantage for going second. Always has been. And it matters a LOT more now that banners don't actually mean anything aside from who wins the individual match, as there's absolutely no reason to do risky plays now that there's zero rewards for doing it unless it's necessary to win.

well said.
Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
In regards to undermanning, if you take the risk you can get rewarded with extra banners. If you don’t you won’t get extra banners. Take Geonosians as an example. It’s an easy team to under-man by using Darth Vader and possible a second character like Thrawn. Can you run a full team to positively nuke them? Sure, same as you being able to just take those 2 and doing the same. Then there are teams where under-manning is a ridiculous proposition, like if someone places JMK w CAT on defense.

As for the argument of running a full team to get a guaranteed win or running -1 person, like the CLS v JKR fight mentioned earlier, I don’t get why you’d want to underman a team you only have a chance at beating down one character. If you lose congrats you just lost CLS’ team, which realistically should be used elsewhere.

“Let’s stay on subject to this post” can be applied to any post made on the forums. Tagging the devs in a lot of your posts doesn’t mean you can magically summon them. So yes this is on topic since it’s being posted here…
tward930
New Spectator
3 years ago
"LukeDukem8;c-2325034" wrote:
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2325029" wrote:
I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can.

Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make?

If I know I don't have to underman then why take the risk. Knowing whether or not I need/have to is the advantage.

Also, let's stay on subject and not worry about how I respond in the forums.

Banners still mean a lot. As stated you full clear teams, if your opponent full clears you banners absolutely come into play. So if you can underman you should regardless of going first or second.
mikebpiz
3 years ago
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2325029" wrote:
I still don’t see what the advantage is. Just do the best with what you can to max banners, underman where you can.

Also is there a reason you tag a dev in almost every post you make?

What is your lifetime legacy banners?

The advantage is obnoxiously apparent.
LukeDukem8
New Spectator
3 years ago
"BrakeTheDestroyer;c-2325042" wrote:
I completely agree that going second gives a slight advantage but disagree with hiding scores until the end of the round.

Seeing live scoring is closest thing we have to live matchups. That adds real excitement and entertainment value to the game. I love when I log in at just the right moment to see someone attacking me.

If you want a competitive advantage then you can scout your opponent and see what counters and defensive teams they tend to use. You have 24 hours to plan out your defense.

I would prefer to keep the scoring system as is. It’s part of what makes GAC fun, exciting, and frustrating all at the same time.

I couldn't agree with you more about the excitement when it is live. But the reality is it isn't. So why treat it like it is and have the system give an advantage to a players because they happen to live in the right time zone.

Scouting is an option for both players and only an advantage if your opponent chooses not to do so. I will rarely get the option to attack 2nd to receive the advantage.

In my opinion going 2nd is more than a slight advantage. When I see that my opponent has failed 2 or 3 times (or posted a low score), I immediately know I just need to 1 shot all teams to win. Or maybe my opp took 4 attempts to clear exec. My strategy now can be to send in a burner team and easily come in with a counter that has a advantage.

However, if I didn't have that information, I might try to maximize my banners and take risks and lose which in turn could cascade into an overall loss.
Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
3 years ago
The simple solution is just to get as many banners as you possibly can… either by one shotting teams or by undermanning them. If you know you can beat or have a very high likelihood of beating a team while short one or 2 characters why wouldn’t you…? That’s so baffling to me
LukeDukem8
New Spectator
3 years ago
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2325039" wrote:
In regards to undermanning, if you take the risk you can get rewarded with extra banners. If you don’t you won’t get extra banners. Take Geonosians as an example. It’s an easy team to under-man by using Darth Vader and possible a second character like Thrawn. Can you run a full team to positively nuke them? Sure, same as you being able to just take those 2 and doing the same. Then there are teams where under-manning is a ridiculous proposition, like if someone places JMK w CAT on defense.

As for the argument of running a full team to get a guaranteed win or running -1 person, like the CLS v JKR fight mentioned earlier, I don’t get why you’d want to underman a team you only have a chance at beating down one character. If you lose congrats you just lost CLS’ team, which realistically should be used elsewhere.

“Let’s stay on subject to this post” can be applied to any post made on the forums. Tagging the devs in a lot of your posts doesn’t mean you can magically summon them. So yes this is on topic since it’s being posted here…

The first player assumes all the risk by trying to maximize banners since they don't know their opponents outcome. The second player has that information and can use it in their gameplan, which is the advantage.

If I know I just need to win against geos ,I will 5 man that battle every time and take the win. Why take the unnecessary risk?

Me tagging the devs and why I choose or not choose to do it has nothing to do with the subject of the post. It is a part of my post, but not the subject and one I don't wish to discuss with you.