Hello.About Grand Arena attack phase.I suggest changing the system so that during the attack phase, the results of an opponent’s attacks are only visible once the phase has ended. The same principle already applies during the defense phase: you only see the opponent’s defensive setup once the defense placement phase is over.Why? Because after years of playing, it has become extremely frustrating to constantly see your opponent waiting for your actions until the very last minutes of the phase, right up until midnight, before making their own attacks, so that they can adjust their actions accordingly. And if you choose not to wait for your opponent as well, they gain a significant tactical advantage by being able to see how you carried out your attacks and then adjust their strategy accordingly.This opportunity should be removed. That way, each player could attack at whatever time is convenient for them during the day, without having to wait for the opponent. Both players would then see the results of their opponent’s attacks simultaneously, at the moment the attack phase ends.

In the Grand Arena, the system should be redesigned so that a player aiming for victory actually has to contend with their opponent's defense, rather than simply waiting around all day to see what the opponent does and then without attacks effortlessly snatching a win at the very last moment of the attack phase with a score of, for example 115–67. The player should not know that their opponent was simply AFK that day and unable to play because they had more important things to do.It already is that way. The winner is the player who gets the most banners by beating the largest amount of their opponents defences in the most efficient manner. A win by 48 points is just as valid as a win by 1000. Furthermore, this would allow you to see how your defense performed much more frequently after the phase ends, instead of watching a "camper" opponent make just two attacks and steals result without any real effort, simply because they noticed you hadn't been active that day.If you want to see how your defences perform then you can move squads around to the front zones to force opponents to engage with them. It doesn't matter how many attacks they do, they aren't stealing the result if they get more banners than you.The logic of the conversation between the two players should be this: "If you didn't fight against my defense and overcome it, you don't deserve the victory; and awarding the win to someone who did nothing would be unfair."They overcome more of the defences than you did, hence the higher score, which is why they win. It's not unfair. You're complaining a lot that players come in and win by small margins, but at no point are you asking yourself why you didn't earn more banners in the first place. If you were full-clearing your opponents then this wouldn't be a problem. Perhaps they stop after winning one battle more than you because that's all they had in the tank. There's credits available for clearing zones so if they can do more why would they stop. I know many end-game players have a big hoard, but they're still useful for modding. If you want to force players to full clear your board then you need to clear theirs too, otherwise why would you deserve the win?Also, this is a global game and they may not be camping. To assume players are doing this just to get an edge over you projects no small amount of main character energy. You have already repeatedly bemoaned that the timing means you can't attack towards the end of the phase, but perhaps your opponents can only attack at that time. Perhaps the only 15 minutes they have in the day is while they're on the porcelain throne at work taking a dump on company time, because the rest of their life is that full. Maybe they would attack earlier if they could because they are so frustrated at always having to chase a score, but it just isn't possible. The assumption that you would do better in GAC if there was a fog-of-war or if the times were suited so you could attack last is exactly that, an assumption. It's not a given. Conversely, GAC has been this way for 5+ years (I wasn't around right at the start so don't know) and shows no signs of changing. Your choices are, therefore, to improve your attacking teams to create an advantage in going first and putting pressure on your opponent, or to move to a different time zone which is better suited to how you want to play GAC and to give you that perceived advantage. The latter seems a little extreme, but idk this fan base is quite passionate at times. P.S. - I'm still waiting for an apology from earlier btw, for your rude assumptions and for failing to read my responses. If people take the time to read your posts and reply it's common courtesy for you to do the same to those who respond.

The advantage of going second is perceived but not necessarily real. This is the flaw in your argument, the assumption of facts which are not always true.Sometimes attacking second is advantageous, sometimes attacking first is. Your experience and mentality are not that of every player.

I wish the forum had some integrated AI that prevented the creation of new threads on something that’s already been done to death. There’s nothing fresh in these threads. Just one more individual who claims to know how the entire playerbase deals with GAC.

7jam826194 wrote:See? HahahaDid the conversation go something like this?7jam826194 (Frank): Hey Mike, how are things in accounts?Mike: Well you know Frank, the end of the quarter approaching, busy busy busy.Frank: Yeah I hear you Mike. By the way, how is the family?Mike: Well, little Louise is starting at UCLA in the spring?Frank: No!!! It seems like only yesterday that little Louise was sitting on my knee talking about her favourite Cindy doll! What about Janey?Mike: Well you know Janey! If it's not a peach or apple tree, she's just not interested.Bobby-Joe: Well that's the Janey I know! Hahaha!Frank: Bobby-Joe! How are things in HR?Bobby-Joe: Well as you know after the whole Smith debacle...busy busy busy. And that dog of mine...had to have his cruciate done last week after trying to jump the fence to get to the neighbors dog...I guess I'm not going to Europe for the summer next year!Frank/Mike: Hahaha I guess not Bobby-Joe!Mike: By the way Bobby-Joe, how was last week's GAC week?Bobby-Joe: Fine, just that I kept getting sniped in the last half hour while we're all asleep!Frank: Oh I hear you Bobby-Joe, the same thing happened to me 8 times last season!Mike: Yeah, me too! If only there was something like a ...fog of war to hide our attacks!Bobby-Joe: Man!!! That's a great idea! I'd pay for the dogs other leg to be done for something as nifty as that!Did the conversation go something like this? By the way, did you see that there was a similar thread? GAC should have Fog of War enabled so it&#39;s fair for everyone | EA Forums - 13734292 by yet another person!! This topic is RED HOT! I don't understand with so many people advocating it...it hasn't been actioned yet!

This is such a tired old argument. Just attack when you like. A fog of war won't fix laziness. There's only an advantage to going second if it will be a close match where taking a risk could win, or possible sometimes in situations where neither side can full clear.If the second is the case for you, set a more balanced defense instead of trying to turtle. Full clearing your opponent should be the norm.In my experience, my opponents who attack first are usually the better players. Those who wait until the last moment never try very hard.Don't suggest taking something away from the people who actually care about the game mode. Instead cultivate habits to make yourself a better GAC player.

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Rius_975518199
Rising Ace
4 hours ago
Timing - we do not wait because of our opponent.
GAC time is same worldwide, middle of night for you is after my feet climb for me. Before that I am busy putting my kid to bed, spending time with them and working. I do GAC around 8-10pm in the last 2 hours depending on how long my fleet climb takes.
Effort - do your best or what you have time for. You want to make someone put in real effort but if someone can win in 3 battles, you are either trying to win on less effort or not able to score higher than them. If that is your best and they can beat it they deserve the win. If you can do more, do your best before bed and it may be higher.
I attack in the last hour and I have both full cleared and been full cleared in that time frame. Attacking in the last hour is time limited and often leads to mistakes which costs matches. It’s often intimidating to see a full cleared perfectly when you have less than an hour to spread your squads to look for a route to a better score.
I have full cleared opponents who have half cleared me before I started. I do not wait for easy wins.
I have also given up after one battle because my opponent full cleared perfectly and I did not one shot the most challenging battle first. So the only benefit I have, is I can see when I was beat sooner. But that relies on my opponent hitting a solid score first.
3htdbza2txgl
Seasoned Adventurer
10 hours ago
All I do and have done for years is to attack my opponents in GAC the most efficient way possible and with my best counters available. If there is a decent chance for a undermanned attack ie:Wampa or Rotta I’ll do it. In fleets I always underman because seriously how many times have you used the 3rd or 4th reinforcements for say your Profunity fleet. Might as well grab a couple banners for undermanning your fleets.
Notthatotherguy
Seasoned Scout
10 hours ago
It’s a game
I think that was their point...
7jam826194
Seasoned Newcomer
12 hours ago
You have serious issues. It’s a game. Love you and good luck in life
harvestmouse1
Seasoned Ace
17 hours ago
7jam826194 wrote:
See? Hahaha
Did the conversation go something like this?
7jam826194 (Frank): Hey Mike, how are things in accounts?
Mike: Well you know Frank, the end of the quarter approaching, busy busy busy.
Frank: Yeah I hear you Mike. By the way, how is the family?
Mike: Well, little Louise is starting at UCLA in the spring?
Frank: No!!! It seems like only yesterday that little Louise was sitting on my knee talking about her favourite Cindy doll! What about Janey?
Mike: Well you know Janey! If it's not a peach or apple tree, she's just not interested.
Bobby-Joe: Well that's the Janey I know! Hahaha!
Frank: Bobby-Joe! How are things in HR?
Bobby-Joe: Well as you know after the whole Smith debacle...busy busy busy. And that dog of mine...had to have his cruciate done last week after trying to jump the fence to get to the neighbors dog...I guess I'm not going to Europe for the summer next year!
Frank/Mike: Hahaha I guess not Bobby-Joe!
Mike: By the way Bobby-Joe, how was last week's GAC week?
Bobby-Joe: Fine, just that I kept getting sniped in the last half hour while we're all asleep!
Frank: Oh I hear you Bobby-Joe, the same thing happened to me 8 times last season!
Mike: Yeah, me too! If only there was something like a ...fog of war to hide our attacks!
Bobby-Joe: Man!!! That's a great idea! I'd pay for the dogs other leg to be done for something as nifty as that!
Did the conversation go something like this? By the way, did you see that there was a similar thread?
GAC should have Fog of War enabled so it's fair for everyone | EA Forums - 13734292 by yet another person!! This topic is RED HOT! I don't understand with so many people advocating it...it hasn't been actioned yet!
7jam826194
Seasoned Newcomer
17 hours ago
See? Hahaha
harvestmouse1
Seasoned Ace
18 hours ago
7jam826194 wrote:
At work a couple of my friends and I talked about this the other week.
Oh that's brilliant!
7jam826194
Seasoned Newcomer
18 hours ago
At work a couple of my friends and I talked about this the other week. Agree 100% with initial post. But the trolls will fight debate with you all day long….
DarjeloSalas
Seasoned Ace
1 day ago
No, no, it is specifically you who are an orthodox user and defender of the system's flaws, simply because they work to your advantage.
You don't have the first idea about how I play the game. Or how to form a cogent argument either.
Notthatotherguy
Seasoned Scout
1 day ago
What are you talking about? Most opponents do absolutely nothing until the final hour of the attack phase. They just want to see what you’re doing so they can secure a win with minimal effort.

You’ve had several people explain that they literally don’t do this and why. At length.
Nor do I want only two or three attacks to be carried out during the entire phase.

Why aren’t you attacking more as well? Why do you deserve a win if you don’t full clear them as well? Additionally, if you full clear your opponent you put more pressure on them to do the same. That then can create a disadvantage to anyone “camping”.
Conditions must be created that allow a player wishing to fully engage in the attacking phase to do so at their own convenience. Otherwise, their results will suffer, as the opponent—having already seen the outcome of the attacks—holds a significant advantage.
They already exist. Players have a full 24 hour period to do their attacks in any time. The existence of an advantage to going second is perceived (by you) and is not necessarily existent. Several posters have explained why this is the case, and as such your argument for change is fallacious.
See how other people read your replies and respond to what you post. That’s called comprehension and courtesy. Still waiting on that apology btw, and by this point I think you’re due to make one to several others you’ve been rude to, like the ever-courteous mouse. I know it’s tough sometimes, but every now and again it’s not the people disagreeing with you who are in the wrong.

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