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"Dk_rek;c-1926524" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up
Moving up divisions, even to division one, doesn't fix the cross division inequality of players opportunity to score points.
Div 1 players still get matched vs division 2 and 3 and this cross division match causes less defenses to set. I'm fighting division 1 guys now. I have already moved up.
Cross division has no impact on how many people go 0-3. Do you understand that 1 person will always finish 0-3 in a 8 person tourney?
Cross division does impact a player's ability to move up to kyber league and finish top 400 in any division because even if they clear all battles with 1 man teams with full protection they will be still in 6,500th place roughly 900 points behind 1st...
I won GA beat everyone and still I'm thousands behind and not even on pace for kyber because of cross division matchmaking...
This problem is:
If someone goes undefeated in GA they shouldn't be penalized because their opponent didn't build up any ships causing opponent's total gp to be a division or 2 lower than the player's. This causes combat to 5 or 6 instead of 8.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cross division matches handicap people in all divisions and kills any chance these people had to win their division even if they got the max score possible.
You can keep thinking cross division changes the amount of people who go 0-3 getting blown out but that's just not true. Someone will always go 0-3 with or without cross division matches.
The problem isn't necessarily cross division matchmaking it is really just that some people get less combat than their competition based on ring of who they draw a fight against."Dk_rek;c-1928360" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928114" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1926524" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up
Moving up divisions, even to division one, doesn't fix the cross division inequality of players opportunity to score points.
Div 1 players still get matched vs division 2 and 3 and this cross division match causes less defenses to set. I'm fighting division 1 guys now. I have already moved up.
Cross division has no impact on how many people go 0-3. Do you understand that 1 person will always finish 0-3 in a 8 person tourney?
Cross division does impact a player's ability to move up to kyber league and finish top 400 in any division because even if they clear all battles with 1 man teams with full protection they will be still in 6,500th place roughly 900 points behind 1st...
I won GA beat everyone and still I'm thousands behind and not even on pace for kyber because of cross division matchmaking...
This problem is:
If someone goes undefeated in GA they shouldn't be penalized because their opponent didn't build up any ships causing opponent's total gp to be a division or 2 lower than the player's. This causes combat to 5 or 6 instead of 8.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cross division matches handicap people in all divisions and kills any chance these people had to win their division even if they got the max score possible.
You can keep thinking cross division changes the amount of people who go 0-3 getting blown out but that's just not true. Someone will always go 0-3 with or without cross division matches.
The problem isn't necessarily cross division matchmaking it is really just that some people get less combat than their competition based on ring of who they draw a fight against.
your literally talking about 256 banners over a total of 4 GA.s if you max poitns on the extra team you have to fight there are feats worth more than that...
meh
Edit and the defense setting points.... still meh
Could that total in the end be the difference between 500+ or getting into top 500....
maybe but would be a rare occurance over a large sample size of GAC's
in current form that would cost you about 4 salvage in reward points....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage IMO
Firsr off I'm talking about how some players don't get the opportunity to score up to 3,700 points over GAC. not 256 points.
2 defenses x 90 is 180
2 offenses x 64 is 128
That's 308 per round of ga so 924 per 3 round ga.
Gac has 4 tourneys so 924 x 4 is about 3,700 points of progression towards the next league. I feel this is very significant.
Also the difference in league rewards especially for making aurodium or kyber vs lower leagues will be lot more than 4 salvage crumb has indicated this already in posts stating the value and difficulty of making top leagues."Dk_rek;c-1928360" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928114" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1926524" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up
Moving up divisions, even to division one, doesn't fix the cross division inequality of players opportunity to score points.
Div 1 players still get matched vs division 2 and 3 and this cross division match causes less defenses to set. I'm fighting division 1 guys now. I have already moved up.
Cross division has no impact on how many people go 0-3. Do you understand that 1 person will always finish 0-3 in a 8 person tourney?
Cross division does impact a player's ability to move up to kyber league and finish top 400 in any division because even if they clear all battles with 1 man teams with full protection they will be still in 6,500th place roughly 900 points behind 1st...
I won GA beat everyone and still I'm thousands behind and not even on pace for kyber because of cross division matchmaking...
This problem is:
If someone goes undefeated in GA they shouldn't be penalized because their opponent didn't build up any ships causing opponent's total gp to be a division or 2 lower than the player's. This causes combat to 5 or 6 instead of 8.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cross division matches handicap people in all divisions and kills any chance these people had to win their division even if they got the max score possible.
You can keep thinking cross division changes the amount of people who go 0-3 getting blown out but that's just not true. Someone will always go 0-3 with or without cross division matches.
The problem isn't necessarily cross division matchmaking it is really just that some people get less combat than their competition based on ring of who they draw a fight against.
your literally talking about 256 banners over a total of 4 GA.s if you max poitns on the extra team you have to fight there are feats worth more than that...
meh
Edit and the defense setting points.... still meh
Could that total in the end be the difference between 500+ or getting into top 500....
maybe but would be a rare occurance over a large sample size of GAC's
in current form that would cost you about 4 salvage in reward points....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage IMO
It's more than 256 points. And much more than 4 salvage. Where are you getting your data?
Its 90x2 on defense so 180 points.
Then 64x2 on offense so 128 more
180+128 is 308 per round.
308x3 is 924 points for 3 rounds of a GA
There are 4 GA in a GAC so 4x924 points is 3700 points people do not even get a chance to get.
3700 points will make a difference in if a lot of people make the barrier to aurodium or kyber. It also effects top 200.
crumb indicated the rewards will be much better in the higher leagues so I assume he means more than +4 salvage for making it to a top league.
This whole limiting combat cross division matchmaking results in the same outcome as the bug where people get 1000 points twice for a win. Some people just get to score 924 more points than others because they got to set more defenses. What's ridiculous is the trigger for this is how many ships does your opponent have and ships aren't even a part of gac, but they do effect someones division (enemy has less ships = lower division than you = less combat for you)
If I get to bowl 8 frames and you bowl 6 then we see who scored more points how is that fair?
I get 8 free throws, you get 6 then we compare who made more shots?
That's what GAC does- Actually it's more like a competition where
Some people take 8 free throws.
Others take 6 free throws.
We see who scored more points based on
1 point for each shot taken.
1 point for each shot made.
People who scored 15 or more points get top rewards. - I agree the current cross division logic is inherently faulty @BobcatSkywalker. And not because "it's not fair to get matched with someone from an upper division". That's a blessing in disguise. The outcome of this shows right in the top spots of divisions browsable for all. Some simply didn't get access to as many banners no matter how perfect they were.
"Dk_rek;c-1928475" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928458" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1928360" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1928114" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1926524" wrote:
"BobcatSkywalker;c-1925940" wrote:
"Dk_rek;c-1924640" wrote:
"Liklik113;c-1919859" wrote:
ITS A LEADERBOARD SYSTEM. If u are div 4 chromium u should fight against other div4 chromium guys even if the matchup is uneven. Thats the point of divisions and leagues. If thats not what u want and u want "heart in the mouth" Matchups for every fight then dont have divisions and dont have a leaderboard system coz your current system is illogical.
no your literally asking for people to be matched up against people that will blow them out... that goes against the devs wanting to keep blowouts under 5%..
There is nothing wrong at all with cross division play
If you don't see cross division matchmaking with different combat requirements as a problem I don't know what to say... it's just not that hard to see by now.
Then I can live with what you do not know what to say.....
If you dont' cross divisions your going to get a TON of GAs where a TON of people will finish 0-3 over and over and it will be blowout city and again from the DEVS......
DEVS : "we want to keep blowouts under 5%"
and the best part is...if you want to move up....move up
Moving up divisions, even to division one, doesn't fix the cross division inequality of players opportunity to score points.
Div 1 players still get matched vs division 2 and 3 and this cross division match causes less defenses to set. I'm fighting division 1 guys now. I have already moved up.
Cross division has no impact on how many people go 0-3. Do you understand that 1 person will always finish 0-3 in a 8 person tourney?
Cross division does impact a player's ability to move up to kyber league and finish top 400 in any division because even if they clear all battles with 1 man teams with full protection they will be still in 6,500th place roughly 900 points behind 1st...
I won GA beat everyone and still I'm thousands behind and not even on pace for kyber because of cross division matchmaking...
This problem is:
If someone goes undefeated in GA they shouldn't be penalized because their opponent didn't build up any ships causing opponent's total gp to be a division or 2 lower than the player's. This causes combat to 5 or 6 instead of 8.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Cross division matches handicap people in all divisions and kills any chance these people had to win their division even if they got the max score possible.
You can keep thinking cross division changes the amount of people who go 0-3 getting blown out but that's just not true. Someone will always go 0-3 with or without cross division matches.
The problem isn't necessarily cross division matchmaking it is really just that some people get less combat than their competition based on ring of who they draw a fight against.
your literally talking about 256 banners over a total of 4 GA.s if you max poitns on the extra team you have to fight there are feats worth more than that...
meh
Edit and the defense setting points.... still meh
Could that total in the end be the difference between 500+ or getting into top 500....
maybe but would be a rare occurance over a large sample size of GAC's
in current form that would cost you about 4 salvage in reward points....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage IMO
It's more than 256 points. And much more than 4 salvage. Where are you getting your data?
Its 90x2 on defense so 180 points.
Then 64x2 on offense so 128 more
180+128 is 308 per round.
308x3 is 924 points for 3 rounds of a GA
There are 4 GA in a GAC so 4x924 points is 3700 points people do not even get a chance to get.
3700 points will make a difference in if a lot of people make the barrier to aurodium or kyber. It also effects top 200.
crumb indicated the rewards will be much better in the higher leagues so I assume he means more than +4 salvage for making it to a top league.
This whole limiting combat cross division matchmaking results in the same outcome as the bug where people get 1000 points twice for a win. Some people just get to score 924 more points than others because they got to set more defenses. What's ridiculous is the trigger for this is how many ships does your opponent have and ships aren't even a part of gac, but they do effect someones division (enemy has less ships = lower division than you = less combat for you)
If I get to bowl 8 frames and you bowl 6 then we see who scored more points how is that fair?
I get 8 free throws, you get 6 then we compare who made more shots?
That's what GAC does
winning or losing your match has nothing to do with the conversation so please do not include GAC rewards for winning your indidivual match...
Your simply arguing over the 300 GAC coins "more" than your going to get over or under someone else....
lotta arguing over 4 salvage
lotta typing over 4 salvage..
Never mentioned winning or losing a match. Idk why u bring up random things I never said. Also its 3700 more points over gac not 300. Even one match vs a lower division opponent is enough to prevent players from making kyber league. You need to run the numbers before dismissing the impact.- @Dk_rek 3k banners are tons. What about the difference between making to an upper league or not, is that 4 salvage too?
- Ah ok, thought it was about how it impacts all of us, my bad.
- 7G13 malaks...and me bwhahahahhahah...
Feel bad for the guys who spent all that to miss kyber because they faced me bwhahaha - @BobcatSkywalker, There's another 30 points per defensive slot when the territory is conquered. You can add 30x3x4 or 360 to your calculations.
@Dk_rek, I also don't mind the cross division matchmaking and I would hate to see matchmaking fixed within a division because it would create bigger problems.
I'm lost on your argument though. The rewards for league promotion are significant, which is the point that Bobcat was making. I think CG has some work to do in order to even the playing field across divisions for defensive slot mismatches. Also matchmaking should follow GAC win-loss records better than it is doing. GP is a measure of toon investment and does not do a good job at measuring toon strength. GP should be overhauled If it's going to be use this way.
