Grand Arena Championships - Matchmaking

Matchmaking is at its worst ever in this Gac.

"Ian_Cloudfire05;d-252400" wrote:
CG said they re-did the matchmaking in the GAC and I am having a really hard time believing that. I am just over 8.1 million GP and I have 4 GL's at R7. In Round 1 of this current GAC my opponent was just shy of 9 million GP with all 6 GL's at R8. I won because my opponent did not set defense, so the AI set auto-defense and I was able to clear. In Round 2 my opponent has 8.3 million GP, all 6 GL's, with JML at R9 and the rest at R8. This is not improved matchmaking, it's hot garbage.

Matchmaking doesn't care about your GL's it cares about your skill rating. What was the skill rating of your opponents vs yours? I bet they were within 10 of each other. You might not LIKE the matchmaking but its working exactly as they told us it would.

Lol are we REALLY still talking about this? Yall know this isn't expected to even out properly for the first couple of seasons right? And this was an acknowledged part of how the new MM and rankings work?

"OldBaldGuyGaming;c-2324321" wrote:

"Ian_Cloudfire05;d-252400" wrote:
CG said they re-did the matchmaking in the GAC and I am having a really hard time believing that. I am just over 8.1 million GP and I have 4 GL's at R7. In Round 1 of this current GAC my opponent was just shy of 9 million GP with all 6 GL's at R8. I won because my opponent did not set defense, so the AI set auto-defense and I was able to clear. In Round 2 my opponent has 8.3 million GP, all 6 GL's, with JML at R9 and the rest at R8. This is not improved matchmaking, it's hot garbage.

Matchmaking doesn't care about your GL's it cares about your skill rating. What was the skill rating of your opponents vs yours? I bet they were within 10 of each other. You might not LIKE the matchmaking but its working exactly as they told us it would.

Everyone's skill rating at the start of the bracket will be the exact same. It's why this system is hot garbage. You will always be matched with folks in your division who put the same effort you do into GAC now that crystals are in play.

I wish there was nuance to the skill rating, but everyone goes up or down the same amount after each round, based solely on the outcome (win/loss). Banners don't matter.

"Firefoxx666;c-2324322" wrote:
Lol are we REALLY still talking about this? Yall know this isn't expected to even out properly for the first couple of seasons right? And this was an acknowledged part of how the new MM and rankings work?

Yes we understand this.

The problem is they could have seeded the initial skill rankings 500 smarter ways than they did. Their implementation was lazy.

"Rath_Tarr;c-2324336" wrote:

"slickdealer;c-2324331" wrote:

"Firefoxx666;c-2324322" wrote:
Lol are we REALLY still talking about this? Yall know this isn't expected to even out properly for the first couple of seasons right? And this was an acknowledged part of how the new MM and rankings work?

Yes we understand this.

The problem is they could have seeded the initial skill rankings 500 smarter ways than they did. Their implementation was lazy.

List them.

1) Instead of putting all of D1 Kyber at the same skill, bracket it.

10M+
9.8-10
9.6-9.8
Etc
Rather than everyone 7.6M and up combined

2) Weight the algorithm based on having high performing characters (GLs)

3) Weight the algorithm based on lifetime banners

4) Weight the algorithm similar to HotBot gear score and mod score

Literally almost anything else than just grouping up people with 3m difference in GP

There are just as many problems with 2-4 as the way they did it. Maybe more.

Regardless, it will all be sorted out eventually.

"slickdealer;c-2324341" wrote:

"TVF;c-2324338" wrote:
There are just as many problems with 2-4 as the way they did it. Maybe more.

Regardless, it will all be sorted out eventually.

There are problems with every method.

Any method grouping people with a 3M gap in GP is by far worse.

I excluded #1 from my post for a reason.

"slickdealer;c-2324337" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-2324336" wrote:

"slickdealer;c-2324331" wrote:

"Firefoxx666;c-2324322" wrote:
Lol are we REALLY still talking about this? Yall know this isn't expected to even out properly for the first couple of seasons right? And this was an acknowledged part of how the new MM and rankings work?

Yes we understand this.

The problem is they could have seeded the initial skill rankings 500 smarter ways than they did. Their implementation was lazy.

List them.

1) Instead of putting all of D1 Kyber at the same skill, bracket it.

10M+
9.8-10
9.6-9.8
Etc
Rather than everyone 7.6M and up combined

2) Weight the algorithm based on having high performing characters (GLs)

3) Weight the algorithm based on lifetime banners

4) Weight the algorithm similar to HotBot gear score and mod score

Literally almost anything else than just grouping up people with 3m difference in GP

Not even close to 50 but hyperbole aside...

1) Div 1 being flat seems a bit rough, I agree. I would suspect the reasons were population size and/or the fact that past a certain point the additional is just bloat which has no impact e.g. relic'd Tuskens and such.

2) Has similar issues as attempting to explicitly match by certain toons / ships: what is valuable and how much value it has varies by roster GP range, roster composition and new toon / ship releases

3) Lifetime banners are a combination of performance and participation and as such are not a reliable measure of performance

4) Abstract values generated by subjective algorithms which ignore the importance of mod allocation and squad dynamics not to mention player GP. Should a 1m GP and a 10m GP player with the same mod score be matched?

Total roster GP was as good of a starting point as any. There will be a significant amount of churn the first few GA brackets as actual player ability asserts itself but after that things should settle down.

I would guess not that many players are in 7.6-10m range, so they need to include much bigger range in k1.
Unless of course, you think that having the same 50 players or so fight each other for the next 10 seasons or so is a very good system.