Grand Arena GP unfair

Straight GP is like saying to a monkey and a fish. We are going to match you up based on age. Forba swimming contest.

Its different for TW because you have a mixture of TW focused players and TB focused players in the guild.

In 1 v 1. You dont have the mix.

I have 3.6 million GP... But 1.5 million is TB bloat. I have every toon lvl 60 nodded and 4 or 5 geared. Every GA oponent ive faced has had double the gear 12 and double the zetas as me.

GA and TW are dominated by teams that are not TB focused. 30 lions (tw) will beat 300 sheep (TB) everytime.

Heres the fix. Preview phase. Select (fake number) 30 toons that you wish to take into battle. End of preview phase, you get matched up with equal GP... To the 30 you selected. Not your entire roster (I'm 3.6 m GP... But 1.5 is bloat for TB).

Fight and now its fair.

"IDinDooNuffin;c-1729644" wrote:
Straight GP is like saying to a monkey and a fish. We are going to match you up based on age. Forba swimming contest.

Its different for TW because you have a mixture of TW focused players and TB focused players in the guild.

In 1 v 1. You dont have the mix.

But players with lot of fluff GP (TB focused players as you call them) still may give their guild a disadvantage in TW. They just don't realise it until they are struck by it personally in GA. Instead of complaining, they should just enjoy their advantage in TB.

I am mostly F2P and have been playing for years and the whole time I was leveling and gearing everything, especially when TB came around. My GP is 3.98 million. I do not have Revan or Traya or a usable Bastilla Shan. I am pretty much guaranteed to get matched up against people who do, so I am lucky if I can get a single win in GA. If they put a good Revan squad on Defense, I am SOL. I can run my entire roster against the one team and not make a dent. So.. GA is not enjoyable and barely worth the effort to get last place rewards. I'm close to the point where I'm going to join and not bother setting defense and just collect the rewards at the end because taking the time to set defenses has rarely resulted in a better than last place payout unless someone else is coasting through it, but I won't do that because I understand it negative affects the opponents...

I dont understand the complaints. I took over a year off and had to rebuild my standings in everything. I can never reach top 50 in fleet because that's for people who can afford to gear and zeta for only fleet which is a very very small part of the game. I don't fill the forums with complaints tho, because I chose how to rebuild my account. I'm in a Nov 2015 shard and have made my way back to rank 1 arena and top 100-150 fleet.

Dont look at the GA as a "oh woe is me", instead look at it as a challenge and a way to direct your future gear and farming choices. Or if you dont want to change, don't complain about poor GA performance

"Daishi;c-1801549" wrote:
No, they just removed fleet GP from calculations when fleets arent being used. People are still complaining about GP matchmaking because they made different choices and GA makes each of us face our choices and see how they compete.

IMO the **** idea is the pick what toons you want to include in your GA GP calculation. Or the take only the top 50% of your GP, etc etc etc. Stupid ideas made by people who want the game to pander to them, instead of facing their choices and trying to improve.

too complicated and requires more server time, its OK for now

"knox_md;c-1848628" wrote:
Someone said those two players invested the same amount of resources? Are you crazy?

Yeah, this is the big problem in this discussion, some people think GP has a meaningful link to amount of resources invested. It really doesn't. You can reach much higher GP with much much less resource investment if you make certain choices to gear and level a large number of characters up to about g8.

There's a recurring discussion about if this is "fair" which lacks some subtlety in my opinion. In the strictest definition of course it's "fair" as both players are playing a game with a set of rules and neither has violated those rules as written.

There is an oft repeated notion however that if the player with a bloated roster made different ("better"?) choices they would have been able to beat the opponent they are matched with. This (in some cases) is patently untrue. Given, under the current rules/GP calculations, people who have invested a certain amount of time/money/energy/resources etc. can be matched with people that have invested significantly more, then the current rules could be considered un-fair in the sense they do not treat different individuals equitably.

Counter to this however, the player with the bloated roster could have made different ("better"?) decisions by investing their resources in a more focused way resulting in them having a much smaller GP but a roster more favored in this game mode. They would still never beat the player they are currently matched with but would have a much higher chance of winning matches at their now much lower GP bracket. So in this sense the choices made by the player resulted in the match they received so matchmaking could be considered "fair".

The only thing I really care about though whether fair or not is that the matches are fun. For me right now, they are not in the slightest bit fun and I could care less about people wanting to be rewarded for building the perfect roster for this game mode by getting more rewards.... I just want some "even" and competitive matches and at this point I would happily give up my first place rewards to get them.

"knox_md;c-1848647" wrote:
I am curious if someone knows what is the EA vision related to the players of this game. For example what would they want players to do: try to collect all chars? Or avoid collecting to many chars? Try to collect chars only if it is possible to also level them to G12? Participate in events? Or not participate?

To maximize profit - and that's ok.
The game can be played and enjoyed in several different ways. It's up to each individual player to decide how he/she prefers to play the game.

- unfair matchmaking in GA,

Current matchmaking is fair. No, not even, but fair.

- limit available useful gear, but give you "for free" plenty of gear you can never use.
- same with upgrade materials (what is the reason of having the white and green ability upgrade materials?),

Limiting the availability of character shards, gear, crystals and what not is required to create demand for their products and to make profit. Nothing unusual here.

- penalize you if you upgrade your characters (e.g. in GA, once it was the same for Galactic Wars)

Also known as giving an incentive to build a strong roster - and possibly spend money in the process.

Although I understand, I disagree. If we get into algorithms like TW, the mismatches would ultimately be worse based on historical TW matchups. Identical GP indicates identical resources invested but just allocated differently. Granted this puts you at a disadvantage for this GA. However if a future GA event is more slanted towards ships, then the advantage is yours.

"AsianPrincess1;c-1729618" wrote:
Grand Arena makes me wanna quit.... i just played someone with full lvl 12 gear and full mods on every single toon. there is no way i can compete.

If GA remains straight GP based. Im done as well.

I agree with DarthSlavik, there isn’t any logic to count GP of the float in an arena without any float Battle! At the same, all my opposant have minimum 150 000 GP of toons compare to me!