Grand Arena Hitting Last an Advantage?

"EduardoCadav;c-1956719" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956717" wrote:

"EduardoCadav;c-1956710" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956693" wrote:
The game is world wide, there is no time that works for everyone.

Come on Kyno, read the OP's suggestion which is the topic of discussion. "There is no time that works for everyone" is exactly countered by his/her suggestion of rotating start times.

You need 62 points in a battle, can you please explain how knowing this makes getting those points easier in battle?

EduardoCadav
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"CordycepsX;c-1956675" wrote:
How about this.... a player sets an absolute FU defence. Both revans, GG, padme, etc, etc. Their best 8 teams straight onto defence. Then waits. If u full clear, they lose. If u don’t, they know exactly how many banners they need with whatever offence they have left. Their whole strategy revolves around hitting second. I’m not saying it’s an unfair strategy, it’s quite good, actually. The only thing I was asking originally is why not make the starting times fair for everyone?

And his/her suggestion for making it fair for everyone is rotating start times as laid out in their original post.

I edited my post to add clarification on what I meant.

Since any rotation is still subject to the timezone issue, there will still be people more effected and less effected by any rotation, which doesnt make it fair for everyone.

"Kyno;c-1956717" wrote:

"EduardoCadav;c-1956710" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956693" wrote:
The game is world wide, there is no time that works for everyone.

Come on Kyno, read the OP's suggestion which is the topic of discussion. "There is no time that works for everyone" is exactly countered by his/her suggestion of rotating start times.

You need 62 points in a battle, can you please explain how knowing this makes getting those points easier in battle?

@EduardoCadav
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"CordycepsX;c-1956675" wrote:
How about this.... a player sets an absolute FU defence. Both revans, GG, padme, etc, etc. Their best 8 teams straight onto defence. Then waits. If u full clear, they lose. If u don’t, they know exactly how many banners they need with whatever offence they have left. Their whole strategy revolves around hitting second. I’m not saying it’s an unfair strategy, it’s quite good, actually. The only thing I was asking originally is why not make the starting times fair for everyone?

There is no staring time that is fair for everyone.

Rotating doesnt mean its fair for everyone, it means it's good at times and bad at times. Fair would be having it start at the same local time for everyone, because everyone would be subject to the same "rule".

The same time isn’t fair, regardless of its a certain local time or not. 5 pm doesn’t work for everyone.

Yes, I guess technically it will never be fair to everyone (someone who doesn’t work will always have an advantage over someone who does, as one example), but rotating times is making it as fair as possible for as many people as possible without taking more drastic measures.

It’s a low cost change that has 0 downside.

"Kyno;c-1956720" wrote:

"EduardoCadav;c-1956719" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956717" wrote:

"EduardoCadav;c-1956710" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956693" wrote:
The game is world wide, there is no time that works for everyone.

Come on Kyno, read the OP's suggestion which is the topic of discussion. "There is no time that works for everyone" is exactly countered by his/her suggestion of rotating start times.

You need 62 points in a battle, can you please explain how knowing this makes getting those points easier in battle?

EduardoCadav
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"CordycepsX;c-1956675" wrote:
How about this.... a player sets an absolute FU defence. Both revans, GG, padme, etc, etc. Their best 8 teams straight onto defence. Then waits. If u full clear, they lose. If u don’t, they know exactly how many banners they need with whatever offence they have left. Their whole strategy revolves around hitting second. I’m not saying it’s an unfair strategy, it’s quite good, actually. The only thing I was asking originally is why not make the starting times fair for everyone?

And his/her suggestion for making it fair for everyone is rotating start times as laid out in their original post.

I edited my post to add clarification on what I meant.

Since any rotation is still subject to the timezone issue, there will still be people more effected and less effected by any rotation, which doesnt make it fair for everyone.

Under the assumption there's a good/bad start time (which can be debated of course) then in the current setup there are some people in the world that always have the good time and some people that always have the bad time. Under rotating start times everyone will sometimes have a good time and sometimes have a bad time. One of those situations is definitely more "fair" than the other in my opinion.

Personally don't mind either way as I said. But there's no reason I can see that rotating start times shouldn't go on that list of QOL updates the devs have, that didn't quite make the cut this time. ;)

"Bulldog1205;c-1956722" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956717" wrote:

"EduardoCadav;c-1956710" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956693" wrote:
The game is world wide, there is no time that works for everyone.

Come on Kyno, read the OP's suggestion which is the topic of discussion. "There is no time that works for everyone" is exactly countered by his/her suggestion of rotating start times.

You need 62 points in a battle, can you please explain how knowing this makes getting those points easier in battle?

@EduardoCadav
I replied to this post >>>

"CordycepsX;c-1956675" wrote:
How about this.... a player sets an absolute FU defence. Both revans, GG, padme, etc, etc. Their best 8 teams straight onto defence. Then waits. If u full clear, they lose. If u don’t, they know exactly how many banners they need with whatever offence they have left. Their whole strategy revolves around hitting second. I’m not saying it’s an unfair strategy, it’s quite good, actually. The only thing I was asking originally is why not make the starting times fair for everyone?

There is no staring time that is fair for everyone.

Rotating doesnt mean its fair for everyone, it means it's good at times and bad at times. Fair would be having it start at the same local time for everyone, because everyone would be subject to the same "rule".

The same time isn’t fair, regardless of its a certain local time or not. 5 pm doesn’t work for everyone.

Yes, I guess technically it will never be fair to everyone (someone who doesn’t work will always have an advantage over someone who does, as one example), but rotating times is making it as fair as possible for as many people as possible without taking more drastic measures.

It’s a low cost change that has 0 downside.

Slight down side, starting events of this magnitude at off times for the dev team, has shown to not be the best idea.

"Kyno;c-1956726" wrote:

"Bulldog1205;c-1956722" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956717" wrote:

"EduardoCadav;c-1956710" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1956693" wrote:
The game is world wide, there is no time that works for everyone.

Come on Kyno, read the OP's suggestion which is the topic of discussion. "There is no time that works for everyone" is exactly countered by his/her suggestion of rotating start times.

You need 62 points in a battle, can you please explain how knowing this makes getting those points easier in battle?

@EduardoCadav
I replied to this post >>>

"CordycepsX;c-1956675" wrote:
How about this.... a player sets an absolute FU defence. Both revans, GG, padme, etc, etc. Their best 8 teams straight onto defence. Then waits. If u full clear, they lose. If u don’t, they know exactly how many banners they need with whatever offence they have left. Their whole strategy revolves around hitting second. I’m not saying it’s an unfair strategy, it’s quite good, actually. The only thing I was asking originally is why not make the starting times fair for everyone?

There is no staring time that is fair for everyone.

Rotating doesnt mean its fair for everyone, it means it's good at times and bad at times. Fair would be having it start at the same local time for everyone, because everyone would be subject to the same "rule".

The same time isn’t fair, regardless of its a certain local time or not. 5 pm doesn’t work for everyone.

Yes, I guess technically it will never be fair to everyone (someone who doesn’t work will always have an advantage over someone who does, as one example), but rotating times is making it as fair as possible for as many people as possible without taking more drastic measures.

It’s a low cost change that has 0 downside.

Slight down side, starting events of this magnitude at off times for the dev team, has shown to not be the best idea.

Ok, fair enough. I would still argue for rotating start times but I’ll concede you have a point there. At minimum they could still rotate start times within their more convenient hours.

To clarify... "advantage" is a code word for "I don't try very hard sometimes and then my enemy does better than me and I curse myself because I was a lazy bum and I should have tried harder and then I stop cursing myself because self-criticism is hard and I decide this is actually an issue with the game design, please fix this flaw cg"?

I am not impressed.

"4Lateralus7;c-1956754" wrote:
Let's say you have a coin. You get one point if you place it on the table heads up. You get 2 points if you flip it and get heads, zero points if tails... Your choice to just gain a point or flip. You have 3 turns to accumulate points to beat a number between 2 and 5. Would it help your decision making to know the number to beat? ?

Sure, except that this isn't a coin flip at all.

Someone has nightsisters, then you go with Imperial Troopers. That's not a coin flip. Someone shows Geonosians, then you go with Jawas. That's not a coin flip.

You know as much as they do at the start of the match. Just because you're going first doesn't mean you have to use 5 for every fight. Use the right counters against the right defenses and go from there.

The amount of clueless people always amazes me. I could write a long text about how going second is a definite advantage but it's just as pointless as trying to convince flat earthers that we're living on a sphere.

Hiding banners earned by opponent is a good idea actually - no one gets pressure or advantage and both just playing the game as well as they can

Do whatever you want and play however you want. At the end of the day it's about having fun. If you are hellbent on thinking going second gets you an advantage, go for it. Whatever works for you.