Greedo Buff Ideas

"DA_CHOSEN_ONE;98013" wrote:
Greedo without a doubt can cause some decent damage at early stages given decent gear and mods, but apart from that is sadly very disappointing, and falls off very early in the game when it comes to end game content. My idea of a buff for him would be to increase his survivability for the most part, and tweaking his unique ability to make him more of a versatile attacker for multiple team scenarios. For display here is his current LvL 8 abilities:

• Who Shot First? (Basic)(LvL 8) - Deal Physical damage to target enemy with a 45% chance to gain Evasion Up for 2 turns.
  
• Thermal Detonator (Special)(LvL 8) - Place Thermal Detonators on all enemies that explode after 2 Turns with a 40% chance for Greedo to gain 25% Turn Meter.
  
• Ambuscade (Leader)(LvL 8) - Scoundrel allies gain 50% Critical Damage
  
• If at first you don't succeed (Unique)(LvL 8) - Greedo has +15% Critical Chance and a 50% chance to attack again whenever he scores a Critical Hit.
  
  Possible idea for changes and tweaks:
  
  
• Who Shot First? (Basic)(LvL 8) - Deal Physical damage to target enemy with a 55% chance to gain evasion up for 2 turns, in addition to having defense up for the duration of his evasion buff. Greedo will also apply defense down to target on a critical hit
  
• Thermal Detonator (Special)(LvL 8) - Place Thermal Detonators on all enemies that explode after 2 turns with a 70% chance to grant 15% turn meter to self for each detonator that hits, in addition cause 5% bonus damage per buff to opponents with any buff and a 45% chance to grant evasion up for 2 turns to all allies after detonation.
  
• Ambuscade Ratification (Leader)(Unique)(LvL 8)(Zeta) - Greedo gains +10 speed and +10% critical damage for every debuff he suffers from and gains +20% potency if he has less than 50% turn meter, in addition Greedo has a 55% chance to gain 15% protection with his basic if suffering any debuffs.
  
• If at first you don't succeed (Unique)(LvL 8) - Greedo has +15% Critical Chance and a 65% chance to attack again whenever he scores a Critical Hit, in addition greedo gains +30% critical avoidance on a critical hit.
  

to avoid confusion, i meant to include that he only gains +20% potency when suffering a debuff and less than 50% turn meter for 1 turn.

+1 good post. Also his gear requirements are just rediculous. 150 cuffs from 9 to g10 lol

Imo what's really necessary is to put the "on crit attack again" part of his unique into his basic as that's the only thing that can proc it. Get something decent to replace that part, and give him a leader that isn't just a worse version of boba fett 's. I mean just look at it, it is the same crit damage as bobas but it's only for scoundrels, doesn't give the +10 crit chance, and doesn't have a huge bonus for bounty hunters, there is no reason to use him over boba.

"PapiBlanco;953237" wrote:
Imo what's really necessary is to put the "on crit attack again" part of his unique into his basic as that's the only thing that can proc it. Get something decent to replace that part, and give him a leader that isn't just a worse version of boba fett 's. I mean just look at it, it is the same crit damage as bobas but it's only for scoundrels, doesn't give the +10 crit chance, and doesn't have a huge bonus for bounty hunters, there is no reason to use him over boba.

One of the reasons I thought of removing his lead ability was because of how near useless it is to anyone but scoundrels. Make him dangerous whenever he suffers debuffs, and also give him a chance to provide his team with some evasion bonuses. I also think his thermal detonator deserved a little more of a unique bonus other than turn meter. With tweaks to his chance to attacks again on critical hits, he'd be much more viable. He may not ever be meta, but this would at least make him interesting.

I don't know if Greedo needs a buff so much as a rework. He's viable as it stands. I've got 7* g11 which I run on a BH team with B2 and Greedo routinely double taps for 22-24k dmg. His speed is pretty good, easily >205 with mods and that doesn't account for speed boost and TM gain from Boba lead. That being said, he could use some tweaks.

So his basic is legit. His Bombs are okay. Obviously BH thrive on detonations, so you've gotta keep those. I like the OP's TM gain per successful bomb hit, or they could do speed up on him like they have with Zam's bombs. I don't really like the OP second clause of rework, which is convoluted and likely a programming nightmare.

His unique is not bad (although I swear from 200+ battles that it doesn't actually give him increased crit chance). I'd probably boost his multi-attack chance to 75%, and throw in a Zeta. A fun twist could be self-cleanse and gain 30-50% TM whenever a bomb detonates. He'd go a lot.

His leader is worthless, and objectively he's not a big enough character to warrant a leader power. I think he should get another attack (possibly AOE dmg or a special debuff). BH need a dedicated dispeller (don't give me that "Oh Boba' execute is all the dispel you need" garbage), so maybe he could have a targeted or AOE dispel. Alternatively maybe a low damage AOE that applies defense down to all enemies, or a targeted powerful debuff like deathmark. I mean he was able to hunt down Han's planet-hopping bum before getting blasted in the alien junk.

What I'd love to see is Thermal Detonators land a bomb on all enemies. After 2 turns, the bomb detonates and applies another bomb that detonates after 2 turns. Rename it Cluster Bomb or something. Helps improve his synergy on a BH team, and helps that team keep TM flowing w/ additional detonators. That group is under performing and would be a slight buff to that dynamic, as well as to Greedo on a solo level.

"Wrathe;953547" wrote:
What I'd love to see is Thermal Detonators land a bomb on all enemies. After 2 turns, the bomb detonates and applies another bomb that detonates after 2 turns. Rename it Cluster Bomb or something. Helps improve his synergy on a BH team, and helps that team keep TM flowing w/ additional detonators. That group is under performing and would be a slight buff to that dynamic, as well as to Greedo on a solo level.

Great idea, very Zader-esq, but there is one reason why this won't work, zam wessel. Under normal circumstances you'd have to wait 4 turns for both sets of dets to go off, however with zam you'd get both sets to go off back to back on top of 2 zam basic attacks on every single character. Otherwise it'd be a great idea but certain characters synergies ruin the chances of other characters getting cool things (ex: HK leader prevents grevious basic from having a multi attack)

"PapiBlanco;953607" wrote:

"Wrathe;953547" wrote:
What I'd love to see is Thermal Detonators land a bomb on all enemies. After 2 turns, the bomb detonates and applies another bomb that detonates after 2 turns. Rename it Cluster Bomb or something. Helps improve his synergy on a BH team, and helps that team keep TM flowing w/ additional detonators. That group is under performing and would be a slight buff to that dynamic, as well as to Greedo on a solo level.

Great idea, very Zader-esq, but there is one reason why this won't work, zam wessel. Under normal circumstances you'd have to wait 4 turns for both sets of dets to go off, however with zam you'd get both sets to go off back to back on top of 2 zam basic attacks on every single character. Otherwise it'd be a great idea but certain characters synergies ruin the chances of other characters getting cool things (ex: HK leader prevents grevious basic from having a multi attack)

Thanks, ya, I thought of Zam, I run that BH team. That's why I know they need some help and this would help give that. Damage potential, ya, the other possibility is Greedo's bomb's do half damage and detonate after 1 turn, then reapply itself once as I suggested above. That'd turn down the burst damage on Zam assists, but still provide the TM gain to the team through Boba's leadership ability.

Another nicety would be Greedo's Unique making Detonators unresistable and immune to cleanse while he's alive. Again, would bring synergy to the BH Team.

For as much as Greedo costs in Gear, he should do something useful. :)

"Kivoku;953538" wrote:
...BH need a dedicated dispeller....

I wish they'd tag Assaj as a Bounty Hunter, it would be a beautiful solve to the issue, fit cannon, and be an amazing addition to a BH team.

"Wrathe;953619" wrote:

"PapiBlanco;953607" wrote:

"Wrathe;953547" wrote:
What I'd love to see is Thermal Detonators land a bomb on all enemies. After 2 turns, the bomb detonates and applies another bomb that detonates after 2 turns. Rename it Cluster Bomb or something. Helps improve his synergy on a BH team, and helps that team keep TM flowing w/ additional detonators. That group is under performing and would be a slight buff to that dynamic, as well as to Greedo on a solo level.

Great idea, very Zader-esq, but there is one reason why this won't work, zam wessel. Under normal circumstances you'd have to wait 4 turns for both sets of dets to go off, however with zam you'd get both sets to go off back to back on top of 2 zam basic attacks on every single character. Otherwise it'd be a great idea but certain characters synergies ruin the chances of other characters getting cool things (ex: HK leader prevents grevious basic from having a multi attack)

Thanks, ya, I thought of Zam, I run that BH team. That's why I know they need some help and this would help give that. Damage potential, ya, the other possibility is Greedo's bomb's do half damage and detonate after 1 turn, then reapply itself once as I suggested above. That'd turn down the burst damage on Zam assists, but still provide the TM gain to the team through Boba's leadership ability.

Another nicety would be Greedo's Unique making Detonators unresistable and immune to cleanse while he's alive. Again, would bring synergy to the BH Team.

For as much as Greedo costs in Gear, he should do something useful. :)

That sounds reasonable. I agree, I'm on the path to gear him up also and he needs an ungodly amount of shock callers. Between him and General grevious I probably need 250 just to get to the next gear tier for them both