Part of @EA_Jesse's patch notes includes the following: To incentivize players to remain in one guild and mitigate some known exploits associated with Guild Switching, there is now a 48 hour cooldown period where a player will not receive Raid rewards for a Raid completed within 48 hours of leaving the previous Guild.So, guild hopping and alt farming has been officially described as a "known exploit." We all know that EA has punished exploiters in the past, as is currently suspending players who collected multiple raid rewards (even after those players received confirmation they could collect multiple raid rewards).Yet we also know that guild hoppers have never been punished, and that they plan to continue to guild hop and complete 6 or more raids per week. And while they claim that they received confirmation from the devs that guild hopping was OK, we know that receiving confirmation is not preventing the current round of suspensions. So my question is whether those who continue to guild hop and alt farm will be punished for taking advantage of this "known exploit."

No, they won't ban those that did it in the past, the would lose the rest of their whales. They probably already lost 70% of the player base.

Ironically, it appear reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Yes, devs may have given the OK to guild hopping in the past: I acknowledged that. Just like they gave the OK to collecting multiple guild rewards. Their prior stance doesn't change the fact they are now calling it an exploit. And certain guilds are planning on continuing to use this exploit to raid 6 or more times per week.If your stance is that guilds and players shouldn't be retroactively punished for doing this, as it wasn't considered an exploit at the time, then that's fine. But it has now been described as an exploit, and those who employ it are, buy definition, exploiters.By the way, I'm not sure how sound the "everyone can do it, so it's OK" logic is. This would certainly seem to have applied to the Vader exploit, yet those who did go down that path were punished.

"Scruffy_Looking;600814" wrote:Ironically, it appear reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Yes, devs may have given the OK to guild hopping in the past: I acknowledged that. Just like they gave the OK to collecting multiple guild rewards. Their prior stance doesn't change the fact they are now calling it an exploit. And certain guilds are planning on continuing to use this exploit to raid 6 or more times per week.If your stance is that guilds and players shouldn't be retroactively punished for doing this, as it wasn't considered an exploit at the time, then that's fine. But it has now been described as an exploit, and those who employ it are, buy definition, exploiters.By the way, I'm not sure how sound the "everyone can do it, so it's OK" logic is. This would certainly seem to have applied to the Vader exploit, yet those who did go down that path were punished.He never said that guild hopping is an exploit but that there are exploits that happen with guild hopping. That's what the other guy with the pictures was trying to explain to you.

"some known exploits" may in fact not be guildhopping at all.

You forgot to quote the original post that got closed where Naecabonon got him to give it the go ahead and NRAJ even said himself it was sketchy. It was a shady back room deal which I'm sure NRAJ probably regrets. Guild hopping is fine but not for extra rewards. It's called a game mechanic exploit and the only reason people have got away with it is because NRAJ didn't see it like that at the time.

Guild hopping is now officially associated with known exploits: will exploiters be punished?

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Player_tjsnk0t4
10 years ago
No, they won't ban those that did it in the past, the would lose the rest of their whales. They probably already lost 70% of the player base.
lmSoBasic
10 years ago
Ironically, it appear reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Yes, devs may have given the OK to guild hopping in the past: I acknowledged that. Just like they gave the OK to collecting multiple guild rewards. Their prior stance doesn't change the fact they are now calling it an exploit. And certain guilds are planning on continuing to use this exploit to raid 6 or more times per week.

If your stance is that guilds and players shouldn't be retroactively punished for doing this, as it wasn't considered an exploit at the time, then that's fine. But it has now been described as an exploit, and those who employ it are, buy definition, exploiters.

By the way, I'm not sure how sound the "everyone can do it, so it's OK" logic is. This would certainly seem to have applied to the Vader exploit, yet those who did go down that path were punished.
BlowinLoadz
10 years ago
"Scruffy_Looking;600814" wrote:
Ironically, it appear reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Yes, devs may have given the OK to guild hopping in the past: I acknowledged that. Just like they gave the OK to collecting multiple guild rewards. Their prior stance doesn't change the fact they are now calling it an exploit. And certain guilds are planning on continuing to use this exploit to raid 6 or more times per week.

If your stance is that guilds and players shouldn't be retroactively punished for doing this, as it wasn't considered an exploit at the time, then that's fine. But it has now been described as an exploit, and those who employ it are, buy definition, exploiters.

By the way, I'm not sure how sound the "everyone can do it, so it's OK" logic is. This would certainly seem to have applied to the Vader exploit, yet those who did go down that path were punished.

He never said that guild hopping is an exploit but that there are exploits that happen with guild hopping. That's what the other guy with the pictures was trying to explain to you.
emvedebe
10 years ago
"some known exploits" may in fact not be guildhopping at all.
demolitica
10 years ago
You forgot to quote the original post that got closed where Naecabonon got him to give it the go ahead and NRAJ even said himself it was sketchy. It was a shady back room deal which I'm sure NRAJ probably regrets. Guild hopping is fine but not for extra rewards. It's called a game mechanic exploit and the only reason people have got away with it is because NRAJ didn't see it like that at the time.
emvedebe
10 years ago
"GeorgeRules;600837" wrote:
You forgot to quote the original post that got closed where Naecabonon got him to give it the go ahead and NRAJ even said himself it was sketchy. It was a shady back room deal which I'm sure NRAJ probably regrets. Guild hopping is fine but not for extra rewards. It's called a game mechanic exploit and the only reason people have got away with it is because NRAJ didn't see it like that at the time.

So you really think EA/CG based their whole approach on something NRAJ said somewhere on this forum?
"Ow noez, one of our devs said it was okay, so we will consider it to be okay now"
The same EA/CG that stated in a community update(!!) that speedy characters will have a damage reduction, and slow characters will do more damage, is all of a sudden worried about 1 dev quote hiding deep in the forum somewhere?
demolitica
10 years ago
You only have to wikipedia "game exploit" to see that this and all the arguements for and against are completely in line with it. It is down to the devs at the end of the day but the fact they are slowly closing the door on it suggests that they acknowledge it is unintended and hence a game mechanic exploit.

Just because it hasn't been said, the actions speak for themself. They have said they want to discourage it twice now and once in the initial launch update. What does that say?
osmc12
10 years ago
The cooldown apparently is to block guild hop in T7 raids
AnotherMolEliza
10 years ago
This fix eliminates mercs from parachuting into guilds to help finish raids, which is a win-win for both the guild and the mercs.

This fix does not appear to eliminate alt factories. If everyone in a guild has an alt account generating coins in an alt guild, your main account can still hop between the two guilds and do heroic raids. Some guilds can do 3 heroic raids in less than a day. Then hop to the other guild that is now full of coins, wait, then do 3 heroics in a day. Repeat.
lmSoBasic
10 years ago
"MBL_66;600824" wrote:

He never said that guild hopping is an exploit but that there are exploits that happen with guild hopping. That's what the other guy with the pictures was trying to explain to you.

OK, I'm genuinely curious: what are these known exploits associated with guild hopping, and that are addressed by a 48-hour cooldown? I'm sure it should be OK to share them now, since the 48-hour cooldown will have addressed these exploits.
I think for most people the reasonable conclusion was that alt farming and guild hopping itself was the "known exploit" alluded to, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinion.