GW oddity -- DEV RESPONSE

"Treadhead2017;c-1174510" wrote:
Did you completely change your toons? I mean to a new squad? From what I gather, if you use the same toons - even in different "positions" - and re-try a GW node it will not change the results until you do something different.

In the past, shuffling your toons and targets (and abilities) altered the battle sequence. Granted, since getting zfinn two weeks ago I rarely need a second squad. Prior to that, I would frequently use this tactic for better rng.

Changing target doesn't always "refresh" the "rng", maybe even never.

If you're not seeing a change in the battle seed, it's likely because you're using too many of the same characters (Threadhead2017 knows what's up).

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I believe the only way to alter the seed number is to change one of the people on the squad or change the leader. Rotating spots within the squad does not change the seed number. At least that is what I have heard and experience seems to support that.

Edit: Of course I get sniped by the gif-master
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It's all about making a significant change.

I have gotten my RNG to change by messing with mods before to make sure K2's Daze landed.

So there are several things that can be changed to alter the RNG of future turns:
Members of your team
positions of your team
attack order
which abilities are used.
equipped mods

Sometimes who the enemy is attacking is based on the spot they occupy, sometimes it is based on who they are. For example: on Node 9 QGJ may attack my Jawa Engineer because of his low health and will still do it after I move him. But Kylo Ren was attacking him the first order and not the second since it is the position he was attacking and not the character

Altering mods to change up speed, crit, tenacity, or potency with your mods can be enough to change RNG. Speed could change the turn order. Crit could change the damage dealt. Potency and Tenacity can alter whether or not debuffs will land. Any of these feats should be enough to change RNG.

If I know attacking Dooku will result in him resisting my K2's Daze, I can either attack someone else, or use his basic attack to daze him on K2's second turn.

I've even had something as simple as dropping one of Jawa Engineer's thermal detonators on someone different give me different RNG (the detonator never exploded in either situation).

The point is not just changing up what you do, but doing it enough to alter what occurs as a result of your actions.

I would say that it sounds more like you are too dead set on using certain abilities as opposed to not changing up your members enough.

Generally, the reason that shuffling your squad around or changing your targets works is because you change the sequence of draws from the random number generator so the results apply to different effects. The trick is to understand that the generator is going to give you the same draw sequence no matter what you do, and try to get the bad draws to apply to effects you don't necessarily care about.
The way to do this is to target an enemy with a different number of unique abilities, or use an attacker with a different set of buff/debuff possibilities or perhaps different crit chance percentage. Anything that changes up the sequence to RNG algorithm. There are many, many ways to affect this because there are a ton of background draws constantly occurring.
In your example:

RT opened with basic that was dodged. The evasion mechanic used one random draw to check this. You got an unfavorable draw.

RP attacks second with basic and scored a crit. This required 3-4 draws: evasion, deflection(?), crit chance, TM gain chance. All draws were in your favor.

Poe attacks taunting GK, crits & debuffs. 3-4 more draws: evasion, deflection (?), crit chance, debuff chance. All were in your favor.

I assume you were changing things around in order to try to get a different result from the opening dodge. Since there were no RNG draws prior to this attack, you are pretty much stuck with it. The only way you might be able to fix it is to bring in a character that triggers multiple draws before the match even starts (TFP seems to do this, why I don't know), or maybe bring in another character with more TM than RT so RT goes second and can inflict that Expose of his (Han Solo?), or maybe retreat and put an accuracy arrow on RT to improve your chance of landing that first attack.
There are RNG draws going on all the time in this game, and the sequence can quickly get very complicated. So we usually simplify it just by saying that moving your characters or changing your targets is the best way to affect your RNG results for the match. Most of the time, that is good enough ... but sometimes you just have to accept that opening dodge.

"CG_NotReallyAJedi;c-1174564" wrote:
If you're not seeing a change in the battle seed, it's likely because you're using too many of the same characters (Threadhead2017 knows what's up).

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Learn something new everyday! Thanks for taking the time to respond! As my specials were on coolddown, I couldn't alter the seed using them. Still love GW, for me it's the best part of the game.

"EventineElessedil;c-1174632" wrote:
Generally, the reason that shuffling your squad around or changing your targets works is because you change the sequence of draws from the random number generator so the results apply to different effects. The trick is to understand that the generator is going to give you the same draw sequence no matter what you do, and try to get the bad draws to apply to effects you don't necessarily care about.
The way to do this is to target an enemy with a different number of unique abilities, or use an attacker with a different set of buff/debuff possibilities or perhaps different crit chance percentage. Anything that changes up the sequence to RNG algorithm. There are many, many ways to affect this because there are a ton of background draws constantly occurring.
In your example:

RT opened with basic that was dodged. The evasion mechanic used one random draw to check this. You got an unfavorable draw.

RP attacks second with basic and scored a crit. This required 3-4 draws: evasion, deflection(?), crit chance, TM gain chance. All draws were in your favor.

Poe attacks taunting GK, crits & debuffs. 3-4 more draws: evasion, deflection (?), crit chance, debuff chance. All were in your favor.

I assume you were changing things around in order to try to get a different result from the opening dodge. Since there were no RNG draws prior to this attack, you are pretty much stuck with it. The only way you might be able to fix it is to bring in a character that triggers multiple draws before the match even starts (TFP seems to do this, why I don't know), or maybe bring in another character with more TM than RT so RT goes second and can inflict that Expose of his (Han Solo?), or maybe retreat and put an accuracy arrow on RT to improve your chance of landing that first attack.
There are RNG draws going on all the time in this game, and the sequence can quickly get very complicated. So we usually simplify it just by saying that moving your characters or changing your targets is the best way to affect your RNG results for the match. Most of the time, that is good enough ... but sometimes you just have to accept that opening dodge.

Thanks for the response! What you're saying makes perfect sense and if I had specials off cool down, I know the result would've been different. Though now I do know something new- enemy targeting is based on position, not the toon itself. Regardless of who I put into position 4 (rp, Rey, rt, or Poe) thrawn always fractured position 4.

"Kissycat;c-1174650" wrote:

"EventineElessedil;c-1174632" wrote:
Generally, the reason that shuffling your squad around or changing your targets works is because you change the sequence of draws from the random number generator so the results apply to different effects. The trick is to understand that the generator is going to give you the same draw sequence no matter what you do, and try to get the bad draws to apply to effects you don't necessarily care about.
The way to do this is to target an enemy with a different number of unique abilities, or use an attacker with a different set of buff/debuff possibilities or perhaps different crit chance percentage. Anything that changes up the sequence to RNG algorithm. There are many, many ways to affect this because there are a ton of background draws constantly occurring.
In your example:

RT opened with basic that was dodged. The evasion mechanic used one random draw to check this. You got an unfavorable draw.

RP attacks second with basic and scored a crit. This required 3-4 draws: evasion, deflection(?), crit chance, TM gain chance. All draws were in your favor.

Poe attacks taunting GK, crits & debuffs. 3-4 more draws: evasion, deflection (?), crit chance, debuff chance. All were in your favor.

I assume you were changing things around in order to try to get a different result from the opening dodge. Since there were no RNG draws prior to this attack, you are pretty much stuck with it. The only way you might be able to fix it is to bring in a character that triggers multiple draws before the match even starts (TFP seems to do this, why I don't know), or maybe bring in another character with more TM than RT so RT goes second and can inflict that Expose of his (Han Solo?), or maybe retreat and put an accuracy arrow on RT to improve your chance of landing that first attack.
There are RNG draws going on all the time in this game, and the sequence can quickly get very complicated. So we usually simplify it just by saying that moving your characters or changing your targets is the best way to affect your RNG results for the match. Most of the time, that is good enough ... but sometimes you just have to accept that opening dodge.

Thanks for the response! What you're saying makes perfect sense and if I had specials off cool down, I know the result would've been different. Though now I do know something new- enemy targeting is based on position, not the toon itself. Regardless of who I put into position 4 (rp, Rey, rt, or Poe) thrawn always fractured position 4.

Who did you wind up leaving in pos 4 to take the Fracture?

"EventineElessedil;c-1174658" wrote:

"Kissycat;c-1174650" wrote:

"EventineElessedil;c-1174632" wrote:
Generally, the reason that shuffling your squad around or changing your targets works is because you change the sequence of draws from the random number generator so the results apply to different effects. The trick is to understand that the generator is going to give you the same draw sequence no matter what you do, and try to get the bad draws to apply to effects you don't necessarily care about.
The way to do this is to target an enemy with a different number of unique abilities, or use an attacker with a different set of buff/debuff possibilities or perhaps different crit chance percentage. Anything that changes up the sequence to RNG algorithm. There are many, many ways to affect this because there are a ton of background draws constantly occurring.
In your example:

RT opened with basic that was dodged. The evasion mechanic used one random draw to check this. You got an unfavorable draw.

RP attacks second with basic and scored a crit. This required 3-4 draws: evasion, deflection(?), crit chance, TM gain chance. All draws were in your favor.

Poe attacks taunting GK, crits & debuffs. 3-4 more draws: evasion, deflection (?), crit chance, debuff chance. All were in your favor.

I assume you were changing things around in order to try to get a different result from the opening dodge. Since there were no RNG draws prior to this attack, you are pretty much stuck with it. The only way you might be able to fix it is to bring in a character that triggers multiple draws before the match even starts (TFP seems to do this, why I don't know), or maybe bring in another character with more TM than RT so RT goes second and can inflict that Expose of his (Han Solo?), or maybe retreat and put an accuracy arrow on RT to improve your chance of landing that first attack.
There are RNG draws going on all the time in this game, and the sequence can quickly get very complicated. So we usually simplify it just by saying that moving your characters or changing your targets is the best way to affect your RNG results for the match. Most of the time, that is good enough ... but sometimes you just have to accept that opening dodge.

Thanks for the response! What you're saying makes perfect sense and if I had specials off cool down, I know the result would've been different. Though now I do know something new- enemy targeting is based on position, not the toon itself. Regardless of who I put into position 4 (rp, Rey, rt, or Poe) thrawn always fractured position 4.

Who did you wind up leaving in pos 4 to take the Fracture?

In the end, after exhausting my brain (not difficult FYI), I left Rey to take the hit. That way I had a chance to get my expose train rolling.