HK-47 rework

"IG75;c-1804344" wrote:

"Reyalp;c-1804338" wrote:
GG, B1, B2, Droideka and Magnaguard are the only real 'droids' and they've been synergised as such.

Fun fact - GG isn't even a droid, he is from a species known as the Kaleesh.

Right?
If he has a droid tag, then by that logic, so should Darth Vadar. Grevious was the early experiment that lead to vadar's bionic suit.

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Inquiry: Do you think it will make me a better assassin, Master?
Declaration: If not, I will enjoy tearing those meatbags apart for putting their filthy fleshy hands on me.

"Dinotank46;c-1804163" wrote:
They did say droids would be meta, they said that in the t3m4 kit reveal ithink

Actually...they didn't. They said "T3-M4 synergizes very well with other droids, but although we expect them to rise in utility, we don't expect them to be meta dominant...at least for now." That does not equal "droids will become meta dominant" or "we guarantee that droids will become meta dominant".

"CandymanJML2;c-1804685" wrote:
Analysis: It would appear that my primary assassination protocols have been tampered with, Master.
Inquiry: Do you think it will make me a better assassin, Master?
Declaration: If not, I will enjoy tearing those meatbags apart for putting their filthy fleshy hands on me.

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"Vos_Landeck;c-1804699" wrote:

"Dinotank46;c-1804163" wrote:
They did say droids would be meta, they said that in the t3m4 kit reveal ithink

Actually...they didn't. They said "T3-M4 synergizes very well with other droids, but although we expect them to rise in utility, we don't expect them to be meta dominant...at least for now." That does not equal "droids will become meta dominant" or "we guarantee that droids will become meta dominant".

THANK YOU!

This has to be one of the most misread comments I’ve ever seen. Big time lack of reading comprehension happening with that CG quote

"MD_Geist;c-1804250" wrote:
Changing HK finally for this stupid Revan stuff is so wrong.... It wasnt OP cause HK was super outdated compared to his solid but simple lead and most droids arent strong enough on their own and it was already No easy task to balance a HK Team with the right amount of damage and other abilities to control/finish the fight since newer Teams are more durable.

I mean:
a) droids with HK wasnt Meta, even after GG Rework
b) L3 missed a Leader ability
c) C3PO offers nothing for droids and is the last named Droid (Legend) for the game too
d) 4-LOM wasnt at Long BH pass so expect he never comes
e) Grievous Rework wasnt as good as expected and still aims clearly for seperatist droids
f) HK crit lead was already countered in many ways GK, Zarris, Rex, even Biggs at old days and Run vs Something than CLS now is a Nightmare too
g) that leaves JTR as best droid lead which is mostly for LS Droids and a big fail Design at Lore anyway
i) leaving us with IG88, Poggle, Nebit... C'mon CG...

How does nobody understand this dev message? Is it really so difficult?

Nobody is saying HK and droids are currently OP. Currently. This leadership rework is to prevent the same nonsense Finn lead can create prior to his rework. And his leadership design is likely the reason for most of the other problems you listed. Let's go through them one at a time.

A) Droids with HK aren't meta, even after GG rework. Perhaps the GG rework was so complicated and weak because of HK's leadership? If the devs are afraid of making him create infinite loops, they would've had to jump through hoops to make sep. droids avoid that interaction.

B) L3 missed a leader ability. This one's unrelated, I'll grant that.

C) C-3PO adds nothing for droids. This could easily be because the devs didn't want to create game breaking loops with him under HK.

D) 4-LOM wasn't in the Bounty Hunter pass. Very easily explained by not wanting to create a character that could cause problems under HK. Bounty Hunters are known for AoEs and Crits. Both would make him ideal for HK. If he had anything useful in his kit, it would stand out on droids.

E) GG Rework wasn't as good as expected. See part A.

F) HK lead was already countered in many ways. True. His time came and went in the meta long ago. But these counters are easily addressed with a simple character addition. Say, a droid that guarantees critical hits, and prevents TM gain outside of speed for its enemies.

G) JTR is the best droid lead(?) JTR is a Resistance lead. She doesn't lead droids. They might be good when used under her, but they're not led by her.

I(H, really) Leaving us with IG-88, Poggle, Nebit... Not sure what you're trying to say, here. HK lead rework will leave these characters as useless? They are ancient. They should either get reworked (something that might happen, eventually, because HK is changing his lead), or become useless. That's the nature of the game. If you thought there wouldn't be forced obsolescence, you're playing the wrong game. Freemium games always, always, make older stuff obsolete eventually.

To add to this, you haven't even seen the kit. They said they want to change the leadership to avoid difficulties designing droid characters, or reworking them, in the future. To me, that doesn't mean it'll be a ruined lead, just different. Instead of granting droids turn meter on criticals, perhaps it'll grant droids ramping offense with criticals. Or ramping speed, even. Something that isn't completely broken by being a loop.

His current leader ability is so open ended, it doesn't take a genius to see how easily it could be broken, given the right character. Even a character as simple as Snowtrooper is completely broken under HK, if he is a droid. Can't you see how limiting that is to the faction as a whole?

Also, HK shouldn't even be the droid leader. He's not a leader, he's an assassin. Let him become the murder murderbot he was always supposed to be.

"Corrog;c-1804742" wrote:
Also, HK shouldn't even be the droid leader. He's not a leader, he's an assassin. Let him become the murder murderbot he was always supposed to be.

All of the BHs worked alone and shouldn’t be leaders. Farmboy Luke or Old Ben never led anything. Heck, even CLS was not a leader. That line of reasoning is flawed, because so many of our leaders in game were not leaders in-universe.

"Droideka;c-1804749" wrote:

"Corrog;c-1804742" wrote:
Also, HK shouldn't even be the droid leader. He's not a leader, he's an assassin. Let him become the murder murderbot he was always supposed to be.

All of the BHs worked alone and shouldn’t be leaders. Farmboy Luke or Old Ben never led anything. Heck, even CLS was not a leader. That line of reasoning is flawed, because so many of our leaders in game were not leaders in-universe.

Well, the word Commander has a "subtle" hint to being a leader. By the Empire strikes back, Luke was a leading member of the rebellion.
There are also several CW episodes where BHs are teaming up.

You are spot on about OB and especially Farmboy though. Finn too, on that matter.

"Killbot5000;c-1804578" wrote:

"IG75;c-1804344" wrote:

"Reyalp;c-1804338" wrote:
GG, B1, B2, Droideka and Magnaguard are the only real 'droids' and they've been synergised as such.

Fun fact - GG isn't even a droid, he is from a species known as the Kaleesh.

Right?
If he has a droid tag, then by that logic, so should Darth Vadar. Grevious was the early experiment that lead to vadar's bionic suit.

Exactly! :smile:

Vader would round off my droid squad nicely.