I’m sure I’m not the first to say it. And I’m sure I won’t be the last. But the Houndstooth is the most abysmal thing to fight in GAC or Fleet Arena. A ship like this should not exist. The hundreds of thousands of damage I have done to this ship in one fight, with ships of its same level and still not defeated it, only proves the point that it needs to be nerfed. People have criticized me for comparing this game to other turn based strategy games, especially when I mention balancing issues, but I’m not about to stop now. Much like my issues with Kylo Ren (Unmasked) being essentially invincible unless he’s given a healing immunity, insta kill, or there is a large gear difference. Houndstooth is essentially invincible unless it’s the last ship and constantly taunts to avoid you killing other ships. Most people’s arguments when I bring up character imbalance is just a suggestion for me to use another character or ship to avoid or stamp out the problem. But with a game like SWGoH, saying, “You should just use this character you idiot.” is quite possibly the stupidest thing a person could say, seeing as it takes weeks FTP to get any character to a decent level. In any other game getting a character up in level wouldn’t be a problem and I wouldn’t complain, but characters are rough to get up and it’s infuriating. I am fine with a ship or character that is tough to beat, but allowing that ship or character to be invincible unless you have a specific ship or character that has a an ability that few others have is stupid. The design of SWGoH is so imbalanced and idiotic in terms of other games that the most dedicated fans have chosen to lie to themselves and say this is good game design. And the only reason they don’t want people like me saying there are games with better balancing out there, is because they would have to recognize the horrible issues with this game they don’t want to acknowledge. Ships are already an underdeveloped part of the game and all over the place with balance as it is, and having the houndstooth like this just makes it so much worse.

While HT is annoying I grant you, if any character or ship could beat any other of comparable level where would the point be in getting any others unlocked.It seems to me that having certain units more easily beatable by some and nearly impossible by other WAI. It makes you broaden your roster, which overall should be the aim in a collection game IMO.

"Darksamus51;c-2308258" wrote:"Ravens1113;c-2308256" wrote:There are plenty of compositions to beat houndstooth at this point. If he’s not in an executor lineup you have plenty of options. Buff immunity is your friend I’m really not trying to be rude, but this is kinda what I was talking about, where saying, “just have a unit or composition of units that do this.” Doesn’t really help the situation. It also doesn’t justify the imbalance that forces you to have to change your roster to beat one character. Especially with how long it takes to get both a character and a ship leveled up. I recognize that this is a mobile game, so it’s literally designed to be unfair so that you get mad and spend money but man it really is infuriating. Again I’m not trying to be rude so I’m sorry if it came out that way. This is a strategy element of the game, if you dont like building up teams and toons to fit into a scenario to either counter or build a stronger team, you may not like this game.How is it unfair? Do you not have the same opportunities your opponent does?

You and your opponent did start on equal footing. He was not given a Houndstooth. You are trying to penalize him for doing more research and developing his fleet better then you developed yours.

"Darksamus51;c-2308283" wrote:"Kyno;c-2308277" wrote:"Darksamus51;c-2308258" wrote:"Ravens1113;c-2308256" wrote:There are plenty of compositions to beat houndstooth at this point. If he’s not in an executor lineup you have plenty of options. Buff immunity is your friend I’m really not trying to be rude, but this is kinda what I was talking about, where saying, “just have a unit or composition of units that do this.” Doesn’t really help the situation. It also doesn’t justify the imbalance that forces you to have to change your roster to beat one character. Especially with how long it takes to get both a character and a ship leveled up. I recognize that this is a mobile game, so it’s literally designed to be unfair so that you get mad and spend money but man it really is infuriating. Again I’m not trying to be rude so I’m sorry if it came out that way. This is a strategy element of the game, if you dont like building up teams and toons to fit into a scenario to either counter or build a stronger team, you may not like this game.How is it unfair? Do you not have the same opportunities your opponent does?If I don’t like an unfair game, that preys upon peoples emotions, and has a fundamentally unbalanced mechanic of leveling and pay to win schemes, then the game may not be for me. I would rather not participate in a game that cheats me out of wins.Simply put..no I don’t have the same opportunities that my opponent does. They may have several thousand dollars to put in the game. They may have extra time than I do, they may have a better more exclusive guild than I do. A fair game provides a level playing field for all players and does not expect players to play years in order for a game to become fair.You can make the same team as the other player, you have access to all the same parts, you can make a counter team. This is all part of the strategy of the game. Wanting them to remove strategy because you want it to be easier is not fair to other players who want to and have built teams by planning and working on a plan over time. The game has not cheated you out of anything. I appreciate your situation and I understand that others have different RL things going on, but as far as the game is concerned yes you do have the same opportunities.

"Darksamus51;c-2308284" wrote:What’s the fun of playing a game that doesn’t put you and your opponent on equal footing? I mean that’s just the result of Mobile Gaming Trends. Intentionally unbalanced game design that feeds the company money. Literally all I said was I wanted one unit nerfed, and I find it telling that the arguments against that immediately tried to disprove my point by literally reexplaining my same argument in the original post.Arena groups are made around the time you open the game mode. That puts you in the same footing.GAC and TW are based on GP which is a measure of how much stuff you applied at many levels of development. All farming is time spent, so again this means you are facing players with a similar amount of time and resources applied. That is a fair footing.You seems to have disconnect with strategy in this game and ones like it. There are mechanics/toons/teams that have some element to them that makes it work(synergy). To beat those or get around them, you need to counter that element. This is a simple idea of strategy, it is what makes a team/character difficult to beat.

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Ryconnan
4 years ago
While HT is annoying I grant you, if any character or ship could beat any other of comparable level where would the point be in getting any others unlocked.

It seems to me that having certain units more easily beatable by some and nearly impossible by other WAI. It makes you broaden your roster, which overall should be the aim in a collection game IMO.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Darksamus51;c-2308258" wrote:
"Ravens1113;c-2308256" wrote:
There are plenty of compositions to beat houndstooth at this point. If he’s not in an executor lineup you have plenty of options. Buff immunity is your friend

I’m really not trying to be rude, but this is kinda what I was talking about, where saying, “just have a unit or composition of units that do this.” Doesn’t really help the situation. It also doesn’t justify the imbalance that forces you to have to change your roster to beat one character. Especially with how long it takes to get both a character and a ship leveled up. I recognize that this is a mobile game, so it’s literally designed to be unfair so that you get mad and spend money but man it really is infuriating.

Again I’m not trying to be rude so I’m sorry if it came out that way.

This is a strategy element of the game, if you dont like building up teams and toons to fit into a scenario to either counter or build a stronger team, you may not like this game.

How is it unfair? Do you not have the same opportunities your opponent does?
abc193366423
4 years ago
You and your opponent did start on equal footing. He was not given a Houndstooth. You are trying to penalize him for doing more research and developing his fleet better then you developed yours.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Darksamus51;c-2308283" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2308277" wrote:
"Darksamus51;c-2308258" wrote:
"Ravens1113;c-2308256" wrote:
There are plenty of compositions to beat houndstooth at this point. If he’s not in an executor lineup you have plenty of options. Buff immunity is your friend

I’m really not trying to be rude, but this is kinda what I was talking about, where saying, “just have a unit or composition of units that do this.” Doesn’t really help the situation. It also doesn’t justify the imbalance that forces you to have to change your roster to beat one character. Especially with how long it takes to get both a character and a ship leveled up. I recognize that this is a mobile game, so it’s literally designed to be unfair so that you get mad and spend money but man it really is infuriating.

Again I’m not trying to be rude so I’m sorry if it came out that way.

This is a strategy element of the game, if you dont like building up teams and toons to fit into a scenario to either counter or build a stronger team, you may not like this game.

How is it unfair? Do you not have the same opportunities your opponent does?

If I don’t like an unfair game, that preys upon peoples emotions, and has a fundamentally unbalanced mechanic of leveling and pay to win schemes, then the game may not be for me. I would rather not participate in a game that cheats me out of wins.

Simply put..no I don’t have the same opportunities that my opponent does. They may have several thousand dollars to put in the game. They may have extra time than I do, they may have a better more exclusive guild than I do. A fair game provides a level playing field for all players and does not expect players to play years in order for a game to become fair.

You can make the same team as the other player, you have access to all the same parts, you can make a counter team. This is all part of the strategy of the game. Wanting them to remove strategy because you want it to be easier is not fair to other players who want to and have built teams by planning and working on a plan over time. The game has not cheated you out of anything.

I appreciate your situation and I understand that others have different RL things going on, but as far as the game is concerned yes you do have the same opportunities.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Darksamus51;c-2308284" wrote:
What’s the fun of playing a game that doesn’t put you and your opponent on equal footing? I mean that’s just the result of Mobile Gaming Trends. Intentionally unbalanced game design that feeds the company money. Literally all I said was I wanted one unit nerfed, and I find it telling that the arguments against that immediately tried to disprove my point by literally reexplaining my same argument in the original post.

Arena groups are made around the time you open the game mode. That puts you in the same footing.

GAC and TW are based on GP which is a measure of how much stuff you applied at many levels of development. All farming is time spent, so again this means you are facing players with a similar amount of time and resources applied. That is a fair footing.

You seems to have disconnect with strategy in this game and ones like it. There are mechanics/toons/teams that have some element to them that makes it work(synergy). To beat those or get around them, you need to counter that element. This is a simple idea of strategy, it is what makes a team/character difficult to beat.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Darksamus51;c-2308298" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2308292" wrote:
"Darksamus51;c-2308284" wrote:
What’s the fun of playing a game that doesn’t put you and your opponent on equal footing? I mean that’s just the result of Mobile Gaming Trends. Intentionally unbalanced game design that feeds the company money. Literally all I said was I wanted one unit nerfed, and I find it telling that the arguments against that immediately tried to disprove my point by literally reexplaining my same argument in the original post.

Arena groups are made around the time you open the game mode. That puts you in the same footing.

GAC and TW are based on GP which is a measure of how much stuff you applied at many levels of development. All farming is time spent, so again this means you are facing players with a similar amount of time and resources applied. That is a fair footing.

You seems to have disconnect with strategy in this game and ones like it. There are mechanics/toons/teams that have some element to them that makes it work(synergy). To beat those or get around them, you need to counter that element. This is a simple idea of strategy, it is what makes a team/character difficult to beat.

So what you are saying is that in order to enjoy the game you must follow a strict path, disregard your wants and interests in other characters, and force the game into an uncreative single meta, that removes all but one strategy so that everyone can be on equal footing? I’m not the one saying to get rid of strategy here, it’s the people who only see the current meta and strategies and limited number of counters who are disregarding the chance for further complexity and strategy that could be established.

All of this, because I said one character should be nerfed, which should show how messed up this game really is.

No, you have many options on how to play the game. Follow every whim and let your heart be free.

Yes if you want to be on the competitive path, you will need to understand the game and how to play it. Players use teams in the most effective way available. If you want to counter that, you would need to do the same. That is the strategy in your roster, build up the most effective attack/defensive characters/teams that can both allow you to win on offense against the teams you will see and hold in the best way you see fit.

All of this because you want a character nerfed because you dont like it or the strategies needed to develop an effective roster. That is a slippery slope in a game where players have built up their roster over years.
Xcien
4 years ago
If I understand this, you want Hound’s Tooth to be nerfed simply because you can’t beat it. That doesn’t seems right.

This game relies on strategy, and while it may be difficult to beat HT, it definitely isn’t unbeatable (I’ve defeated HT somewhat reliably with the Geo fighters, and ships with buff dispells). As many people have already said, the game also promotes roster expansion and diversity, and have given several other reasons why the game isn’t unfair.

But you are entitled to your opinion, and I’ll leave it at that.
NyKynoe
4 years ago
"Darksamus51;c-2308308" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2308303" wrote:
"Darksamus51;c-2308298" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2308292" wrote:
"Darksamus51;c-2308284" wrote:
What’s the fun of playing a game that doesn’t put you and your opponent on equal footing? I mean that’s just the result of Mobile Gaming Trends. Intentionally unbalanced game design that feeds the company money. Literally all I said was I wanted one unit nerfed, and I find it telling that the arguments against that immediately tried to disprove my point by literally reexplaining my same argument in the original post.

Arena groups are made around the time you open the game mode. That puts you in the same footing.

GAC and TW are based on GP which is a measure of how much stuff you applied at many levels of development. All farming is time spent, so again this means you are facing players with a similar amount of time and resources applied. That is a fair footing.

You seems to have disconnect with strategy in this game and ones like it. There are mechanics/toons/teams that have some element to them that makes it work(synergy). To beat those or get around them, you need to counter that element. This is a simple idea of strategy, it is what makes a team/character difficult to beat.

So what you are saying is that in order to enjoy the game you must follow a strict path, disregard your wants and interests in other characters, and force the game into an uncreative single meta, that removes all but one strategy so that everyone can be on equal footing? I’m not the one saying to get rid of strategy here, it’s the people who only see the current meta and strategies and limited number of counters who are disregarding the chance for further complexity and strategy that could be established.

All of this, because I said one character should be nerfed, which should show how messed up this game really is.

No, you have many options on how to play the game. Follow every whim and let your heart be free.

Yes if you want to be on the competitive path, you will need to understand the game and how to play it. Players use teams in the most effective way available. If you want to counter that, you would need to do the same. That is the strategy in your roster, build up the most effective attack/defensive characters/teams that can both allow you to win on offense against the teams you will see and hold in the best way you see fit.

All of this because you want a character nerfed because you dont like it or the strategies needed to develop an effective roster. That is a slippery slope in a game where players have built up their roster over years.

Exactly, the game is fundamentally flawed, and any change for the better eliminates the amount of money and time CG has scammed out of people. You are exactly right. How dare I want the game to be better than it is. Let’s just except the way it is and never question if things should change. That way CG can never learn from their “amazing” business practices. Also thought I might add that they nerfed Darth Vader and other powerful toons recently making them far less powerful to make the game more unbalanced and everyone in this chat is acting like me suggesting a nerf of Houndstooth is worse lol.

You opponent used a nail, and you want to win with a screwdriver. There is a flaw in this logic.

The game is designed around building up tools in out rotates to overcome situations. You want to change one element to make it easier to beat, without building up the tools to do so......

Correct they made changes, and they stated an actual reason why those changes were made.

Yes nerfing characters because someone doesnt want to farm the counter to them is a bad idea.

HT has counters, it is not unbeatable, and the ship is obtainable to everyone, as are the counters. That is actually good for game design.
Darksamus51
New Spectator
4 years ago
I don’t know why it censored i d i o t and stupid, but it did.
InyakSolomon88
4 years ago
I remember when CG said they didn't want HT to be part of every meta fleet. Then they released Executor and made it one of the focal points of the meta fleet. :joy: