How do you deal with an extremely uncooperative shard member?

ATMtheWookie wrote:

Nope it's still stupid and wrong. And you're still defending his actions through your suggestions. Again why is it wrong for 20 people to gang up on someone, but not wrong for this guy to essentially gang up on everyone else in the shard? If they are being that much of a **bleep** then shouldn't everyone gang up on him? Letting people get away with stuff and not calling them out or dealing with it is why the world is the way it is lol.  Trying to reason with him didn't work. There's nothing the game can do to this guy but there's also nothing the game can do to the shard for retaliating. 

Did you even bother reading what I said? Or are you the kinda person who has to be wright all the time?

I don't defend his actions, i find thim to be kinda ignorant and selfish aswell, BUT he is doing what the game is supposed to be, FIGHT to get place 1, defend your place and if he decides to take on the shard 1 at a time the entire time that is his right. 

I just suggested a possible solution, i didn't say this was the only way. You on the other hand are so stuck at following the shards opinion and defending their actions you don't even consider the fact other people might not agree with what the guy is doing, but understand that he's gonna keep doing it because its allowed

Now to be very clear, if you want to organize a shard, i'm absolutly fine with that, in fact i would join. And if the shard coordinates to fight to take places, sure, but if it is to get him out and keep him out thats unfair because that would be ganging up on him

Now lets agree to disagree, because i've spent to much time on something that doesn't really concern me. Have a nice day and good luck in swgoh

*right ftfy.

Again why is it okay for him to fight for 1 all day, and everyone else in the shard not to? What if there was no shard chat, and everyone else saw him sticking to 1 or 2 all day and independently decided to fight him? That's fine then? What's the difference. Also, the point of arena isnt to get 1 or 2 all day, its only in your payout hour. Thinking it's unfair for a group to check someone's behavior that's wrong is just unbelievable. Let's say this guy is in 1 for his payout and gets it. Great. Then the next payout there's 2 people who grab 1 and 2, but this guy snipes 2 before they get their payout. That's not unfair to do that, when the problem person doesn't get their payout for 23 more hours?

If you were at a grocery store and the checkout line was really long, and someone just cut the line and said "those are my conditions ", you really wouldn't expect the group of people to say or do something? JFC 

Against my better judgement but hell, got some time to kill

I guess the answer is no, you didn't read anything. YES its fine if everyone attacks him to regain their position. NO its not okay to coordinate an attack to get him out of top 20 because he doesn't want to play according to your rules. YES its stupid to want to be nr 1 all day long, but again, not your decision to make and ALLOWED by the game.....  Sure if you fight him for place one and he drops and keeps dropping thats OK because thats how pvp works. 

And if you really payed attention in my previous post you would understand that i don't think its reasonable for the guy to demand thathe stays nr1 or 2 all day...

ATMtheWookie wrote:

the point of arena isnt to get 1 or 2 all day, its only in your payout hour.

This is the shards point of view, not the games point of view, game says you get reward based upon your position at payout time. Doesn't care what you do in the meantime otherwise it wouldn't allow crystal refreshes. **bleep**ty thing to do but unless cg disables fighting in a period before your payout its allowed by the game

Not my president, but thats an entire different topic.

Ok, so show me where it says you cannot attack other people to gain nr 1 in the rules? (**bleep**ty thing to do but unless your nr 1 you can keep attacking everyone in front of you. Its stupid to want to do that sure. And to be fair, yes the group can try and reason with him, if that fails i does not give the group the right to say he's not gonna be in top 20 anymore simply because he doesn't follow our strategy. I'm fine with attacking him back one on one, but to me organizing to attack somebody to get him out is bullying him. Thats my point of view

lets say its a running competition, it doesn't make sense for a runner to sprint from the start and/or everytime somebody passes him. It only makes sense to do so at the finish line. But if the guy decides, you know what, i'll be first from start to finish, its not allright for the rest of the runners to gang up on him and try to trip him or knock him. You just let him run out of steam, take turns tiring him out and in the end you beat him at the finish line

Don't bother mate, W is still trying to wrap his head around the concept of what "ganging up" means, and thinks that one person can "gang" up on others in the shard. What you're saying is completely logical, rational, and reasonable. He also equates playing the game within the rules to jumping the queue at a grocery store... Stores have their own rules about queue jumping, and it's not allowed, but if someone spends all night waiting for the store to open so they can be first in line - that's not breaking any rules, just like spending crystals to battle their way to first place isn't against the rules. Contrarians are intellectually defunct, to say the least. You may as well tilt at windmills at this stage.

ATMtheWookie wrote:

If you don't want to call it "ganging up" fine but I just can't understand how you or the other **bleep** think it's okay for ONE person to ruin 20 other people's enjoyment of the game and crystals with no benefit to themselves with no repercussions.

Wonder whats under bleep, but anyway... As i said before, attack him before your payout, and leave him to his wicked ways... and if you think about this logical, if you think its okay to mass attack him, BEFORE its any of the groups payout timers aren't you doing exactly the same thing he does, only organized....

ATMtheWookie wrote:

The analogy of running a race is flawed, this would be like someone running a race and winning (great) and then running another race they aren't scheduled to be in and coming in first, but they don't get any trophy or award and the person who should have gotten first gets less. You really wouldn't expect the rest of the runners to prevent the person from winning?

Except the are all running the same race, as they are all in the same bracket! You might argue its a multiple stage race and  you could even say  that people could win the same amount of stages but when the one guy says nah, i'm gonna win em all no matter the cost its not wright for the rest to say, no WE made a deal, we are going to make sure you don't finish. Oh and: If you win in a race you're not scheduled in people would think what a weird guy, but it would not count..... 

No, don't leave him to his wicked ways. That's  the whole point. A group correcting someone's behavior isn't ganging up, its how society works. During this guys payout his attacking is fair game, and if he stopped attacking at all hours and they still hit him i wouldnt condone that either. But dear God any critism or correcting bad behavior doesn't make you a victim regardless of whether it's one person or a group doing it. 

If my payout was right before yours and I hit you every day and cost you crystals even though it doesnt give me any more you'd 100% be bitching and trying to get others to help you. I encourage everyone reading this to try it in their fleet arena and see how long they last. It wouldn't be tolerated anywhere in the game. 

I seriously can't believe 60 posts in you're still defending this person as some oppressed refugee who again ruins the game for tons of other people at no benefit to themselves just because they "declared" it in a discord chat. I mean you can't seriously be this dense. 

ATMtheWookie wrote:

No, don't leave him to his wicked ways. That's  the whole point. A group correcting someone's behavior isn't ganging up, its how society works

Except in society we have, at least where i am from, elected to have somebody to correct abnormal behaviour (police, judges, whatever), in this case it would be CG. And guess what, they either don't see it as disruptive behavior or they don't care.... What we don't do is make our own rules, and enforces them ourself. You've been comparing his behaviour in a game with that in real world. Thats not how this works.

ATMtheWookie wrote:

I seriously can't believe 60 posts in you're still defending this person as some oppressed refugee who again ruins the game for tons of other people at no benefit to themselves just because they "declared" it in a discord chat. I mean you can't seriously be this dense. 

This once again proves you only read (and i seriously doubt that you actually have gone to everything i wrote) what you wanna read. Multiple times i told you i AGREE its dumb and selfish and .... BUT unless CG says it can't be done, the shard group has NO wright to take matters in their own hands. By that i mean organizing a mass attack with the only intent of getting him out because he doesn't follow your rules. And again, your rules might be perfectly logical and benificial to most but unless you can show me its also CG rules that you cannot attack when its not your turn to get payout they are not the rules of the game...

 It must be a hard concept for you to understand that someone can agree with you 80% of the way, but think something else about how to deal with it.

O btw, if somebody attacks me everyday before payout, i don't go complaining to everyone around me, it just attack someone 7 min ahead and let the timer run out until they get the message..... as suggested many posts back.

There is no rule that says you can only attack during your payout. You are not correcting behavior you are enforcing your personal standard on someone else not the games standard, that is bullying. 

Your grocery store comparison is nonsensical. 

Still well done you for being even more entitled and pompous  than OP..

TLDR: get a grip. 

He can do what he likes. 

As for your current President you got him from voter apathy. Do you really want to keep persevering with these weak comparisons that fall down to any kind of scrutiny?

Of course it’s allowed both ways, however you can guarantee that only one player will be laughing whilst 20 plus clutch their pearls because they can’t rise above it. 

But CG won't dont do anything either way. OP tried to reach out and discuss on discord. Didn't work. Even doing the timing doesn't always work. If people "colluded " over discord to lock themselves right before payout, would you disagree with that? Probably. So a mass attack is apparently the only way. I mean it's technically not against the rules of the game. 

You're right it's soooooo hard to understand someone can agree 80% with me. But I want to post about it on the forums, and there's nothing on the forums that says we can't disagree. But a bunch of people all replied to my posts so I feel they're ganging up on me and shouldn't do that because "these are my conditions ". But I bet you won't say that's wrong. 

Yup because it's not entitled at all to battle all day to stay in 2nd because "these are my conditions". I don't feel entitled to my payout, I get there by doing my battles like everyone else. Apparently if one person ruining something for a large group of people and you try to prevent that you're "entitled" and "ganging up" on them. 

God i can smell the millennial on all of you over the screen. 

I'm sure theyre laughing as they spend more crystals then they get paid out. Sounds like a fun way to play a game. Trolling people 20 hours a day. 

This is off topic but I didn't vote for him. Thank god this person is the shard arbitrarily decided they deserve 2nd for 23 hours a day though.