How does the game decide who goes first when two toons are BOTH granted 100% turn meter?

"VirtraThrad;619229" wrote:
This is one of those instances where speed is the determining factor. Anakin is faster than vader. If both get 100% tm at the same time, faster toon goes first.

Clearly wrong as lots of other people have posted. Best example most can test is in raid when teebo uses his stealth skill and gives EE 100% TM. Sometime Teebo will take the next turn and sometimes it's EE. Both have full TMs so it's just RNG as to which goes first. Try it with a full Ewok team and you'll see the order of the ewoks is random after teebo does his thing.

"CptCaveman;618748" wrote:

"Akiraine;618684" wrote:

"Thor_Odinson1;62529" wrote:
I just used Vader to culling blade finish the enemy Rey on an Anakin team. This caused both Vader and Jedi-Vader to gain 100% tm. I had hoped to then use Vader's basic to ability block Anakin and stop him from using his AOE. Well instead the game chose to screw me for going against the meta and let the Jedi go first instead.

I thought the saying was "Age before Beauty." I would think the game would give priority to the toon that initiated the action in this scenario, but evidently not.

I assume Anakin went first because he had more turn meter, but since Vader HAD to use all his turn meter to attack in the first place, there is no possible way for Vader to have more turn meter, making Anakin always go first.

Do you guys think this is WAI? And if so, SHOULD that be how it works?

When TM is filled at the same time. Toon with higher speed goes first.
It's not a coin flip, not defender advantage or whatever else.

The only coin flip is Han Solo who shoots first (which totally ignores speed)

Wrong.

Anytime two toons tie for action at the same time, RNG always decides who goes first. That RNG number most likely comes from a pre rolled string decided before match starts.

This is easy to prove. I have my HK and 86 set to tie. RNG always decides who goes first.

I dunno what to tell you. On my alt my 88 is set to 143, and 86 at 140.

88 will always go first after JE recalibrate, and his aoe usually fills his tm and he goes again before 86 even goes.

Something u can try is increase your hk speed by 1~2 or drop 88 speed by 1~2 and try again.

"Taniwha;618621" wrote:
I had a similar problem in phase III of a heroic raid, Teebo used his stealth special which grants 100% TM to ewok allies, the allies went before Teebo and by damaging the rancor pushed the rancors TM to 100%, so instead of teebo having a chance at reducing the rancors TM, the rancor took his turn before Teebo

Oh man that blows too.

Some of these explanations are good. Thanks guys. Reminds me of the Poe meta coin flip days.

@Akirane

What speed is your JE and do you have recalibrate omega'd?

It's sounds to me like you have it set so 86 is not getting to 100% after recalibrate. Therefore 88 gets to 100% goes before 86 and then gets two crits to refill his TM to 100% and goes again before 86.

I used to have it so that both 86 and HK filled their TMs after recalibrate and their turn order changed from fight to fight

The TM is not filling up by character speed in this instance.
Vader went to 100% TM do to finishing blow of culling blade.
Anakin went to 100% TM do to death of an ally because of his unique.

They both reached it at the same time not due to character speed. So it is a "coin flip"

When running Anakin and biggs on same team if a crit hit takes Biggs less than 50% health they both gain 100% TM and I have seen Anakin go first even though he has lower speed.

I wish they would change this so that characters are qued up the turn they hit 100% TM and can't be jumped (toons hitting 100 on the same turn can continue to be random). I don't believe 88s AOE should have him jump everyone else already at 100 turn meter. Or an evading toon with an old Ben lead jumping in.

"Akiraine;619340" wrote:

"CptCaveman;618748" wrote:

"Akiraine;618684" wrote:

"Thor_Odinson1;62529" wrote:
I just used Vader to culling blade finish the enemy Rey on an Anakin team. This caused both Vader and Jedi-Vader to gain 100% tm. I had hoped to then use Vader's basic to ability block Anakin and stop him from using his AOE. Well instead the game chose to screw me for going against the meta and let the Jedi go first instead.

I thought the saying was "Age before Beauty." I would think the game would give priority to the toon that initiated the action in this scenario, but evidently not.

I assume Anakin went first because he had more turn meter, but since Vader HAD to use all his turn meter to attack in the first place, there is no possible way for Vader to have more turn meter, making Anakin always go first.

Do you guys think this is WAI? And if so, SHOULD that be how it works?

When TM is filled at the same time. Toon with higher speed goes first.
It's not a coin flip, not defender advantage or whatever else.

The only coin flip is Han Solo who shoots first (which totally ignores speed)

Wrong.

Anytime two toons tie for action at the same time, RNG always decides who goes first. That RNG number most likely comes from a pre rolled string decided before match starts.

This is easy to prove. I have my HK and 86 set to tie. RNG always decides who goes first.

I dunno what to tell you. On my alt my 88 is set to 143, and 86 at 140.

88 will always go first after JE recalibrate, and his aoe usually fills his tm and he goes again before 86 even goes.

Something u can try is increase your hk speed by 1~2 or drop 88 speed by 1~2 and try again.

If re-calibrate only takes 86 to 99.9999% TM and 88 to 100% plus than yes 88 will always go first because 86 TM is not filled.

Someone made a nice spreadsheet that will show you all the info on the TM fill based on droid and JE stats.

"Akiraine;619340" wrote:

"CptCaveman;618748" wrote:

"Akiraine;618684" wrote:

"Thor_Odinson1;62529" wrote:
I just used Vader to culling blade finish the enemy Rey on an Anakin team. This caused both Vader and Jedi-Vader to gain 100% tm. I had hoped to then use Vader's basic to ability block Anakin and stop him from using his AOE. Well instead the game chose to screw me for going against the meta and let the Jedi go first instead.

I thought the saying was "Age before Beauty." I would think the game would give priority to the toon that initiated the action in this scenario, but evidently not.

I assume Anakin went first because he had more turn meter, but since Vader HAD to use all his turn meter to attack in the first place, there is no possible way for Vader to have more turn meter, making Anakin always go first.

Do you guys think this is WAI? And if so, SHOULD that be how it works?

When TM is filled at the same time. Toon with higher speed goes first.
It's not a coin flip, not defender advantage or whatever else.

The only coin flip is Han Solo who shoots first (which totally ignores speed)

Wrong.

Anytime two toons tie for action at the same time, RNG always decides who goes first. That RNG number most likely comes from a pre rolled string decided before match starts.

This is easy to prove. I have my HK and 86 set to tie. RNG always decides who goes first.

I dunno what to tell you. On my alt my 88 is set to 143, and 86 at 140.

88 will always go first after JE recalibrate, and his aoe usually fills his tm and he goes again before 86 even goes.

Something u can try is increase your hk speed by 1~2 or drop 88 speed by 1~2 and try again.

Again, this is wrong. The reason you are seeing the turn order that you do is because JE is not filling your 86 completely.

Why don't you post the speed of your JE and I will do the math and show you?

Why do I need to drop speed by a couple and check again? I can do the math and tell you exactly what speed they need to be at to fill based on JEs speed.

Also, based on the numbers you have given for your droids, if you are running a full droid team, I can tell that your JE is over 205 speed, so he moves over 255 with unique. This means your 86 is not filling completely.

Take a look at this post. Use the spreadsheet and enter all the speeds of your toons. Make sure you set the values for his unique and recalibrate. This will show exactly where the droids turn meters are when JE uses recalibrate. This will allow you to set the turn order you want, just remember that the more gaps in turn order you have, the more chances an enemy has to slide into the gaps.

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/58345/droid-speed-and-turn-meter-with-je/p1