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8 years ago

How should Vader be reworked ?

Why not having a community debate about how we would like to see his kit ? It seems devs are wanting to rework him since we could see on Ahnald101 video about TB that he inflicted a new debuff on Han Solo.

I think he's a great toon even now but he is unfinished as the real Darth Vader he should be. First of all, he lacks anti-synergy against rebels. This is what missing in his kit. Then, he's not as powerful as he should be since he's not offering to his squad real synergy. They can only remove TM and their DoTs get infinite but that doesn't bring something to the squad. In fact we could even say that the squad is extremely limited around him and few chars are truly synergizing with him (Sidious and DN). The other are not applying DoTs which is a major issue in this squad. Boba is a great add but he's not an Empire chars so he will not benefit from the TM removal.

What I would do is reworking all his kit and adding 2 Uniques.

Terrifying Swing : Same as now but 50% to inflict DoT, unavoidable and unresistable on Rebels.

Force Crush : nothing to change since I planed to bring something new on Culling Blade.

Culling Blade : Add a bonus effect if target has any buffs : gain 5% TM for each buffs on the target. On a finishing blow grant Despicable Hate.
Despicable Hate : after using any ability grant 100%. While Darth Vader is under this buff, gain 20% offense and stun the target enemy. Consume Despicable Hate after the first ability used by Darth Vader while under this buff.

First Unique :
Rebels Undoing : Each time a rebel enemy gain a buff, call an ally to assist, counter attack or attack any Empire ally, they gain one damage over time effect for 2 turns.
Zeta : Empire allies gain 1%TM per DoTs on ennemies at the end of their turn.

I choose it only applies on Empire since Darth Sidious would gain a huge advantage on Rancor Raid and in Arena with such a possibility of TM gain. It would mean he could gain 100% TM at some point under a zVader lead. It also exclude Boba which would again reduce the possibility of massive TM gain. On the other hand, it would allow TFP to play quite a lot for instance, even though he can't apply DoTs. The main issue I found with this is about TFP gaining constantly 100% TM considering his ability would also help him gain 35% TM. Maybe then, a limitation of DoTs could be done, as well as all buffs and debuffs that stacks ?

Second Unique :
Powerful Hatred : Whenever Darth Vader score a debuff on an already debuffed target, grant them Force Wounds. This effect cannot be resisted or dispelled and last until the target next end of turn.
Force Wounds : Any unit affected by this effect loose 15 speed, 15% damage and reduce their max Health by 15%.
Zeta : This effect is doubled on Light Side characters.

This is a sort of a new debuff but it doesn't last forever. The goal here is to create a breach that could be exploited with a nice burst but that would also be cured by TM gain or speed.

Let me now what are your impression about it, what would you change, etc... or share any ideas on what you would do and why.

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should Vader be reworked ?","id":"message:4601359","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":55,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:78739"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4601359"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601359"},"body":"Why not having a community debate about how we would like to see his kit ? It seems devs are wanting to rework him since we could see on Ahnald101 video about TB that he inflicted a new debuff on Han Solo.

I think he's a great toon even now but he is unfinished as the real Darth Vader he should be. First of all, he lacks anti-synergy against rebels. This is what missing in his kit. Then, he's not as powerful as he should be since he's not offering to his squad real synergy. They can only remove TM and their DoTs get infinite but that doesn't bring something to the squad. In fact we could even say that the squad is extremely limited around him and few chars are truly synergizing with him (Sidious and DN). The other are not applying DoTs which is a major issue in this squad. Boba is a great add but he's not an Empire chars so he will not benefit from the TM removal.

What I would do is reworking all his kit and adding 2 Uniques.

Terrifying Swing : Same as now but 50% to inflict DoT, unavoidable and unresistable on Rebels.

Force Crush : nothing to change since I planed to bring something new on Culling Blade.

Culling Blade : Add a bonus effect if target has any buffs : gain 5% TM for each buffs on the target. On a finishing blow grant Despicable Hate.
Despicable Hate : after using any ability grant 100%. While Darth Vader is under this buff, gain 20% offense and stun the target enemy. Consume Despicable Hate after the first ability used by Darth Vader while under this buff.

First Unique :
Rebels Undoing : Each time a rebel enemy gain a buff, call an ally to assist, counter attack or attack any Empire ally, they gain one damage over time effect for 2 turns.
Zeta : Empire allies gain 1%TM per DoTs on ennemies at the end of their turn.

I choose it only applies on Empire since Darth Sidious would gain a huge advantage on Rancor Raid and in Arena with such a possibility of TM gain. It would mean he could gain 100% TM at some point under a zVader lead. It also exclude Boba which would again reduce the possibility of massive TM gain. On the other hand, it would allow TFP to play quite a lot for instance, even though he can't apply DoTs. The main issue I found with this is about TFP gaining constantly 100% TM considering his ability would also help him gain 35% TM. Maybe then, a limitation of DoTs could be done, as well as all buffs and debuffs that stacks ?

Second Unique :
Powerful Hatred : Whenever Darth Vader score a debuff on an already debuffed target, grant them Force Wounds. This effect cannot be resisted or dispelled and last until the target next end of turn.
Force Wounds : Any unit affected by this effect loose 15 speed, 15% damage and reduce their max Health by 15%.
Zeta : This effect is doubled on Light Side characters.

This is a sort of a new debuff but it doesn't last forever. The goal here is to create a breach that could be exploited with a nice burst but that would also be cured by TM gain or speed.

Let me now what are your impression about it, what would you change, etc... or share any ideas on what you would do and why.","body@stringLength":"3279","rawBody":"Why not having a community debate about how we would like to see his kit ? It seems devs are wanting to rework him since we could see on Ahnald101 video about TB that he inflicted a new debuff on Han Solo.

I think he's a great toon even now but he is unfinished as the real Darth Vader he should be. First of all, he lacks anti-synergy against rebels. This is what missing in his kit. Then, he's not as powerful as he should be since he's not offering to his squad real synergy. They can only remove TM and their DoTs get infinite but that doesn't bring something to the squad. In fact we could even say that the squad is extremely limited around him and few chars are truly synergizing with him (Sidious and DN). The other are not applying DoTs which is a major issue in this squad. Boba is a great add but he's not an Empire chars so he will not benefit from the TM removal.

What I would do is reworking all his kit and adding 2 Uniques.

Terrifying Swing : Same as now but 50% to inflict DoT, unavoidable and unresistable on Rebels.

Force Crush : nothing to change since I planed to bring something new on Culling Blade.

Culling Blade : Add a bonus effect if target has any buffs : gain 5% TM for each buffs on the target. On a finishing blow grant Despicable Hate.
Despicable Hate : after using any ability grant 100%. While Darth Vader is under this buff, gain 20% offense and stun the target enemy. Consume Despicable Hate after the first ability used by Darth Vader while under this buff.

First Unique :
Rebels Undoing : Each time a rebel enemy gain a buff, call an ally to assist, counter attack or attack any Empire ally, they gain one damage over time effect for 2 turns.
Zeta : Empire allies gain 1%TM per DoTs on ennemies at the end of their turn.

I choose it only applies on Empire since Darth Sidious would gain a huge advantage on Rancor Raid and in Arena with such a possibility of TM gain. It would mean he could gain 100% TM at some point under a zVader lead. It also exclude Boba which would again reduce the possibility of massive TM gain. On the other hand, it would allow TFP to play quite a lot for instance, even though he can't apply DoTs. The main issue I found with this is about TFP gaining constantly 100% TM considering his ability would also help him gain 35% TM. Maybe then, a limitation of DoTs could be done, as well as all buffs and debuffs that stacks ?

Second Unique :
Powerful Hatred : Whenever Darth Vader score a debuff on an already debuffed target, grant them Force Wounds. This effect cannot be resisted or dispelled and last until the target next end of turn.
Force Wounds : Any unit affected by this effect loose 15 speed, 15% damage and reduce their max Health by 15%.
Zeta : This effect is doubled on Light Side characters.

This is a sort of a new debuff but it doesn't last forever. The goal here is to create a breach that could be exploited with a nice burst but that would also be cured by TM gain or speed.

Let me now what are your impression about it, what would you change, etc... or share any ideas on what you would do and why.","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2017-09-10T16:51:21.000+01:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:4601359_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":3948},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"Why not having a community debate about how we would like to see his kit ? 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What they need is TM gain or survivability. If he got a passive, it should be anti-crit. 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\"ExarTheKun;c-1264353\" wrote:
I don't think Empire needs more damage. What they need is TM gain or survivability. If he got a passive, it should be anti-crit. Something like GK or Barriss.


I do agree and that's why it wasn't the main purpose. Actually the main purpose was to increase damage of Darth Vader on his basic/ 2nd special if he finish someone with Culling Blade (that part is about damaging).
But the other one is more about gaining TM than damage. Yes, enemies gain 1 dot but this dot purpose is the same as the one on the basic, giving TM.

The second unique debuff is about protecting your team against this risk so Vader don't kill one of your chars. Not that many chars can do high damage to kill someone. DN have a instakill but he would kill anyone without any consideration. The other two are Boba and DV. DV only benefit from debuffs and not from buffs, which his why I grant him this TM gain on this ability.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2017-09-10T17:23:44.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-09-10T17:23:44.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4601359/message:4601361","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:35393":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:35393","uid":35393,"login":"alexjamesgif","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2016-08-30T19:18:07.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg"},"rank":null,"messagesCount":0,"kudosGivenCount":40,"kudosReceivedCount":35,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:35393"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601362":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4601362","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4601362":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:35393"},"id":"message:4601362","revisionNum":1,"uid":4601362,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4601359"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4601359"},"subject":"Re: How should Vader be reworked ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601362"},"body":"Vader killed Palpatine. Thetefore he should get reworked as a Rebel.

More seriously, a Force Choke would be cool. He definitely needs to get bonus damage against Rebels. Or buff removal.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"190","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2017-09-10T18:59:43.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-09-10T18:59:43.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4601359/message:4601362","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:197148":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:197148","uid":197148,"login":"FierceRevan","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-09-04T12:28:34.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg"},"rank":null,"messagesCount":0,"kudosGivenCount":280,"kudosReceivedCount":278,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:197148"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601363":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4601363","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4601363":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:197148"},"id":"message:4601363","revisionNum":1,"uid":4601363,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4601359"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4601359"},"subject":"Re: How should Vader be reworked ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601363"},"body":"All he needs is a force choke and a unique in my opinion. In fact his unique could be force choke on any opponent when they attack out of turn. That would help counter current meta and make him last in the coming resistance etc without making him OP","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2017-09-10T19:03:03.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-09-10T19:03:03.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4601359/message:4601363","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601364":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4601364","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4601364":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:78739"},"id":"message:4601364","revisionNum":1,"uid":4601364,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4601359"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4601359"},"subject":"Re: How should Vader be reworked ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601364"},"body":"
\"FierceRevan;c-1264469\" wrote:
All he needs is a force choke and a unique in my opinion. In fact his unique could be force choke on any opponent when they attack out of turn. That would help counter current meta and make him last in the coming resistance etc without making him OP


I don't want him to be \"good against the current meta\", I want him to be better everywhere. Further more, why would it be only when people play out of turn ?
I think he must be played as a protector against rebels. He should be feared because of what he can possibly do if you're underestimating him or if you let him place his game. That's what I tried to represent when I made those ideas of him and his kit.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2017-09-10T19:28:41.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-09-10T19:28:41.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4601359/message:4601364","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601365":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4601365","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4601365":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:78739"},"id":"message:4601365","revisionNum":1,"uid":4601365,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4601359"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4601359"},"subject":"Re: How should Vader be reworked ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601365"},"body":"
\"AlexTheG;c-1264467\" wrote:
Vader killed Palpatine. Thetefore he should get reworked as a Rebel.

More seriously, a Force Choke would be cool. He definitely needs to get bonus damage against Rebels. Or buff removal.


Yes, he should be Jedi and Rebel and LS, that a good rework IMO and make him pretty viable everywhere, even in TB !
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If you were going to give him another ability give him something with his lightsaber, like the heavy cleaves he performes when he surprises luke on bespin

Personally think using dots for turn meter gain is a touch convoluted in approach and tenacity up makes vader useless, vader has no versatility in this scenario.
I like the idea of if vader or palps is damage he gains 25% turnmeter (50 if both), zeta doubling this. With stack of 20% offence with max of 5 stacks.
Would be quite a nice way to speed vader up a bit

On force choke, give vade the chance to dispel, damage doubled if no buffs.

That being said id prefer a new debuff, something to really give people to fear vader, rather than 3 useless dots (outside pit that is, and even then i dont care much)

On vaders basic, if they already have ability block then maybe inflict stun

culling blade, i admitedly like your improvement here","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2017-09-10T19:51:27.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-09-10T19:51:27.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4601359/message:4601367","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:222845":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:222845","uid":222845,"login":"Amerrykan","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-07-22T13:20:14.000+01:00","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg"},"rank":null,"messagesCount":0,"kudosGivenCount":0,"kudosReceivedCount":0,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:222845"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601368":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4601368","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4601368":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:222845"},"id":"message:4601368","revisionNum":1,"uid":4601368,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4601359"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4601359"},"subject":"Re: How should Vader be reworked ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601368"},"body":"Even they finally decided to rework vader, they definitely would like to release a new version vader, maybe rogue one version, because most of us already got a 7* g11 vader. If cg just rework the original vader, which means they just give all players free op character, I don't think they would do this . If they do, don't hope the reworked vader will be as op as CLS.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2017-09-10T20:16:59.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2017-09-10T20:16:59.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:4601359/message:4601368","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601369":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:4601369","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:4601369":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:60039"},"id":"message:4601369","revisionNum":1,"uid":4601369,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:4601359"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:4601359"},"subject":"Re: How should Vader be reworked ?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:4601369"},"body":"Hmm..

Presence of the Dark Lord-Unique
Empire and Sith allies gain 2.5% TM and 2.5% offense/defense (stacking up to 100%) whenever a Sith or Empire detrimental effect is resisted, until Darth Vader is defeated. Whenever a Sith ally is defeated, all Sith allies gain the unique buff \"The Force Shall Free Me,\" until they are defeated (Darth Vader must be present).

The Force Shall Free Me
The percent effects of \"Presence of the Dark Lord\" are doubled (retroactive to previous offense/defense stacks). Can't be dispelled or prevented.

I like how tanky Vader is, but he doesn't have a place in most teams outside of his leadership ability. I wanted to utilize his high health/protection pool without making him a taunter. This idea makes him a soft tank, heavy support. This is aimed directly at high tenacity and tenacity up buffs. Would be very effective in raids as well (I think). Perhaps too effective. 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