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In defense of CG (calm down people)

I'll be the devil's advocate here and defend CG. The past week has been tumultuous, with DSTB bugs, yoda mythic backlash, hSTR, etc. But some of you folks have definitely overreacted... YOD...

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The past week has been tumultuous, with DSTB bugs, yoda mythic backlash, hSTR, etc. But some of you folks have definitely overreacted...


YODA MYTHIC

firstly: NOBODY lost any rewards. We're all just assuming that the next time it shows up, there won't be any mods. Now, this definitely may be true, but all they're saying is that they will remove mods until they figure out how to display the thing properly. this DOES NOT AFFECT ALL MYTHICS, so calm down.



DSTB

The \"substantial makegood\" has yet to show up. If it's bad, I'll be handing out pitchforks, but let's just wait and see. If they compensate us properly, there's no need to get pre-emptively upset.


hSTR

DISCLAIMER: this refers to players who have a GP of about 1.5-2M or above (i.e. played through the CLS meta or before)

The arena teams you've possibly built include Titans, Nightsisters, RJT, zzEP, or the like. RJT murders P1, zzEP can get you 2%, Titans nets 3/5 for Chex Mix, and you're more or less Heroic ready.

TB has already made clear they want strong players to band together and weaker ones to stick together. hSTR is just another step in this direction.

If you're a whale, move to a proper guild. If you're someone who thinks he's not heroic ready, look through your roster, build 3-4 teams and put forth an application on any of the guild recruitment areas.

If you want to play with friends, fine, but don't expect to get Traya or G12+. ","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-27T07:15:35.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:feedback","text":"feedback","time":"2023-02-05T06:25:45.000-08:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3693128_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":10843},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"body":"I'll be the devil's advocate here and defend CG.


The past week has been tumultuous, with DSTB bugs, yoda mythic backlash, hSTR, etc. But some of you folks have definitely overreacted...


YODA MYTHIC

firstly: NOBODY lost any rewards. We're all just assuming that the next time it shows up, there won't be any mods. Now, this definitely may be true, but all they're saying is that they will remove mods until they figure out how to display the thing properly. this DOES NOT AFFECT ALL MYTHICS, so calm down.



DSTB

The \"substantial makegood\" has yet to show up. If it's bad, I'll be handing out pitchforks, but let's just wait and see. If they compensate us properly, there's no need to get pre-emptively upset.


hSTR

DISCLAIMER: this refers to players who have a GP of about 1.5-2M or above (i.e. played through the CLS meta or before)

The arena teams you've possibly built include Titans, Nightsisters, RJT, zzEP, or the like. RJT murders P1, zzEP can get you 2%, Titans nets 3/5 for Chex Mix, and you're more or less Heroic ready.

TB has already made clear they want strong players to band together and weaker ones to stick together. hSTR is just another step in this direction.

If you're a whale, move to a proper guild. If you're someone who thinks he's not heroic ready, look through your roster, build 3-4 teams and put forth an application on any of the guild recruitment areas.

If you want to play with friends, fine, but don't expect to get Traya or G12+.","customFields":[]},"Conversation:conversation:3693128":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:3693128","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3693128"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2018-07-10T06:20:31.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2018-07-10T06:20:31.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":100,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3693128":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3693128","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:3693128_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:3693128_1","lastEditTime":"2018-06-27T07:15:35.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3693163":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:3693163","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3693128"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:80733"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":3693163,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"subject":"Re: In defense of CG (calm down people)","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3693163"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3693128"},"body":"
\"Rebel_yell;c-1587129\" wrote:
\"Nomad1941;c-1587095\" wrote:
\"Rebel_yell;c-1587085\" wrote:


I honestly think the removal of the mods from the Yoda mythic event was a retaliatory action against the obnoxiousness of people complaining about the rewards from a relatively easy event. I don't blame them. They designed the game. They know the importance of mods.


Really?!? People are complaining and obnoxiousness about everything in the game. They choose this and say mods are the least valuable reward. That shows they don't understand the importance. One mod can make a huge difference right away. One piece of g12 gear < Mod that hits on speed. It will take a number of events to even get a g12 piece whereas you can get several mods that are usable right away. They don't get it and people have a right to blame them for that. Communication alone could have addressed this if that was the issue. They could state that the Yoda event is for developing players and the Mythic level is so people can replay it. We choose to add some rewards to it but these rewards are not for end game users. Boom done.

All of CG's issues could be mitigated by added communication. If they are retaliating then they are just going to drive people away. CG has a PR issue and they keep tripping over themselves. Just have one dev handle one of the big questions a day and respond to it. Even just to say they are looking into it would help as long as they say we understand these are your issues we are trying to come up with an answer for. Then note that some of these issues won't be changed because of game balance but we are looking at it. Not complicated. Yes they would have to write up an answer. Have it checked by the higher ups to make sure nothing was being promised. Done. Then people at least have answers. Like it or not it is what it is. No one is going to like every aspect of this game and most players understand that. You play the parts you want to so you have the experience you want to.


I should have clarified. I think the communication around the removal of the mods from the mythic event was a thinly veiled \"kitten off\". Everyone knows gold mods advance a toon far more than a few pieces of G12 salvage gear that will only return once every other month (maximum).

That's why they can't say they're retaliating. Again, I'm just speculating here, but given how good those rewards were, and how spiteful of a person I am, if I were in their shoes and got a bunch of complaints. I would have done something similar. \"You don't think you were rewarded enough? Cool. I'll just remove em\"

For one reason or another, this game has always operated with a lack of transparency (remember when Baze disappeared from Guild Event Shop?) and it has done tremendously well. I think the attempt to communicate more puts them in a tough spot where they can't disclose too much, but want to disclose a lot. Then everything they do gets admonished on these forums by what I can only consider a vocal minority, but that's the only feedback they get. At some point, it will beat down anyone and they get to a point of \"well, we're darned if we do and we're darned if we don't.\"

Everyone can always do something better in their day, life, job, whatever. But it always seems like there is absolutely no leeway here. What the devs and game managers do is extremely difficult. Software is not easy. Balance is not easy. I don't expect them to be perfect. So yes, I think the community should simmer down. This would provide heightened sensitivity to the HSTR reward structure and STR difficulties if fewer people complained about trivial things.


I think the idea of these forums (or reddit/discord/any other community area) as the vocal minority is the short wish of the people that actually run CG. They wish everything they hear on here were just childish rants that could be brushed off. However they used to treat the forum (reddit/ect) like the vocal minority and it blew up in their face several months back.

Now some stuff gets complained about that rightfully shouldn't be a big deal, but that stuff is easy to spot. This for example was an easy to spot small issue that a handful of people complained about (confusing reward description). Then in true CG fashion they turned it into a full blown issue by taking away the rewards by claiming the mods weren't even the good part of the reward. Now that statement could either be, as you claimed, a thinly veiled F U for complaining, in which case it is the pettiest thing I have ever seen CG do and they deserve all the hate and repercussions the follow, or they are so out of touch about what is considered valuable in their own game that they don't consider high end mods to be a good reward in which case they deserve to be questioned and mocked.

I mean this is alot of ways reminds me the the whole RyDiggs situation a few months back that sparked the whole \"better communication\" priority from the CG producers. Diggs took a post where someone expressed their opinion on Sion and Sith and pointed out issues with Sion and several Sith characters that needed to be fixed, and he completely belittled the guy and blew the whole thing way out of proportion. Why does CG keep taking these small issues and turning them into big problems for themselves.","body@stringLength":"5504","rawBody":"
\"Rebel_yell;c-1587129\" wrote:
\"Nomad1941;c-1587095\" wrote:
\"Rebel_yell;c-1587085\" wrote:


I honestly think the removal of the mods from the Yoda mythic event was a retaliatory action against the obnoxiousness of people complaining about the rewards from a relatively easy event. I don't blame them. They designed the game. They know the importance of mods.


Really?!? People are complaining and obnoxiousness about everything in the game. They choose this and say mods are the least valuable reward. That shows they don't understand the importance. One mod can make a huge difference right away. One piece of g12 gear < Mod that hits on speed. It will take a number of events to even get a g12 piece whereas you can get several mods that are usable right away. They don't get it and people have a right to blame them for that. Communication alone could have addressed this if that was the issue. They could state that the Yoda event is for developing players and the Mythic level is so people can replay it. We choose to add some rewards to it but these rewards are not for end game users. Boom done.

All of CG's issues could be mitigated by added communication. If they are retaliating then they are just going to drive people away. CG has a PR issue and they keep tripping over themselves. Just have one dev handle one of the big questions a day and respond to it. Even just to say they are looking into it would help as long as they say we understand these are your issues we are trying to come up with an answer for. Then note that some of these issues won't be changed because of game balance but we are looking at it. Not complicated. Yes they would have to write up an answer. Have it checked by the higher ups to make sure nothing was being promised. Done. Then people at least have answers. Like it or not it is what it is. No one is going to like every aspect of this game and most players understand that. You play the parts you want to so you have the experience you want to.


I should have clarified. I think the communication around the removal of the mods from the mythic event was a thinly veiled \"kitten off\". Everyone knows gold mods advance a toon far more than a few pieces of G12 salvage gear that will only return once every other month (maximum).

That's why they can't say they're retaliating. Again, I'm just speculating here, but given how good those rewards were, and how spiteful of a person I am, if I were in their shoes and got a bunch of complaints. I would have done something similar. \"You don't think you were rewarded enough? Cool. I'll just remove em\"

For one reason or another, this game has always operated with a lack of transparency (remember when Baze disappeared from Guild Event Shop?) and it has done tremendously well. I think the attempt to communicate more puts them in a tough spot where they can't disclose too much, but want to disclose a lot. Then everything they do gets admonished on these forums by what I can only consider a vocal minority, but that's the only feedback they get. At some point, it will beat down anyone and they get to a point of \"well, we're darned if we do and we're darned if we don't.\"

Everyone can always do something better in their day, life, job, whatever. But it always seems like there is absolutely no leeway here. What the devs and game managers do is extremely difficult. Software is not easy. Balance is not easy. I don't expect them to be perfect. So yes, I think the community should simmer down. This would provide heightened sensitivity to the HSTR reward structure and STR difficulties if fewer people complained about trivial things.


I think the idea of these forums (or reddit/discord/any other community area) as the vocal minority is the short wish of the people that actually run CG. They wish everything they hear on here were just childish rants that could be brushed off. However they used to treat the forum (reddit/ect) like the vocal minority and it blew up in their face several months back.

Now some stuff gets complained about that rightfully shouldn't be a big deal, but that stuff is easy to spot. This for example was an easy to spot small issue that a handful of people complained about (confusing reward description). Then in true CG fashion they turned it into a full blown issue by taking away the rewards by claiming the mods weren't even the good part of the reward. Now that statement could either be, as you claimed, a thinly veiled F U for complaining, in which case it is the pettiest thing I have ever seen CG do and they deserve all the hate and repercussions the follow, or they are so out of touch about what is considered valuable in their own game that they don't consider high end mods to be a good reward in which case they deserve to be questioned and mocked.

I mean this is alot of ways reminds me the the whole RyDiggs situation a few months back that sparked the whole \"better communication\" priority from the CG producers. Diggs took a post where someone expressed their opinion on Sion and Sith and pointed out issues with Sion and several Sith characters that needed to be fixed, and he completely belittled the guy and blew the whole thing way out of proportion. Why does CG keep taking these small issues and turning them into big problems for themselves. 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