Just had a first here, here i am in GAC , doing as usual,i see my oponent hasn't put any toons in defense,and just 3 powerfull ships ( that i couldn't bypass ) Well,initially I though,heh this guy forgot to put his defense, easy win,don't have to do anything,only now i realise how he brute forced my defense (4-5 attacks on defense ,because he has the upper hand in number of teams ) I never have seen this before,and it seems like the player isn't really penalised for not putting any defenses as he can just brute-force his way through you . I was really caught off guard by this,and i still don't understand why it doens't count as an automatical loss if anyone does this.

"Moorebid;c-2411359" wrote:I thought the AI placed the defense when you didn't...?Sounds like he just saved you some time. If you couldn't clear his ships, you couldn't have outscored, even if he set g7 teams on defence.You got awarded max banners per team he didn't set (59 in 3v3).If you could beat his ships you have an almost guaranteed win. Ships matter. Work on them. Take away this option.

Unforntunately ,that's not how it works, My defense is made in such a way that normally ,with normal amount teams,it is very hard to pass and get to my ships,or,at the very least,making you use teams so you can't finish the last unit territory, yet, he just brute forced it now .

If you cleared his ships.... you would have won and wouldn't be here talking about it..

"newbornFL;c-2411374" wrote:So no matter how well thought my defense plan is,it's useless because I have an handicap in ships (that is covered by good defense) ?I mean,i have no problems with loosing,if you pass my defense and get to my ships,and clear them,you'll probably win,that,i have no problem with, but this is just plain dirt as no strategy can make it off .You have a well thought out defensive plan. He looked at it, and figured out a defensive plan that would allow him to beat you. His plan worked because you've neglected ships. His plan wouldn't work against most players. He just discovered your weakness, and designed a defense to exploit it.

Always assume they will clear you. The higher you go, the more likely this is. It’s extremely rare I don’t clear with a full defence set. You were banking on blocking him. Rookie error. Work on ships.

Is putting no defense in GAC actually a better strategy?

winterwolves
New Scout
2 years ago
"Moorebid;c-2411359" wrote:
I thought the AI placed the defense when you didn't...?

Sounds like he just saved you some time. If you couldn't clear his ships, you couldn't have outscored, even if he set g7 teams on defence.

You got awarded max banners per team he didn't set (59 in 3v3).

If you could beat his ships you have an almost guaranteed win. Ships matter. Work on them. Take away this option.
adriancoolman
Seasoned Newcomer
2 years ago
Unforntunately ,that's not how it works, My defense is made in such a way that normally ,with normal amount teams,it is very hard to pass and get to my ships,or,at the very least,making you use teams so you can't finish the last unit territory, yet, he just brute forced it now .
Jed_Eye27
2 years ago
If you cleared his ships.... you would have won and wouldn't be here talking about it..
dmgutie
2 years ago
"newbornFL;c-2411374" wrote:
So no matter how well thought my defense plan is,it's useless because I have an handicap in ships (that is covered by good defense) ?

I mean,i have no problems with loosing,if you pass my defense and get to my ships,and clear them,you'll probably win,that,i have no problem with, but this is just plain dirt as no strategy can make it off .

You have a well thought out defensive plan. He looked at it, and figured out a defensive plan that would allow him to beat you. His plan worked because you've neglected ships. His plan wouldn't work against most players. He just discovered your weakness, and designed a defense to exploit it.
nitiggy
2 years ago
Always assume they will clear you. The higher you go, the more likely this is. It’s extremely rare I don’t clear with a full defence set. You were banking on blocking him. Rookie error. Work on ships.
Screerider
New Scout
2 years ago
So... did he "pass (your) defense and get to your ships and clear them"?
drathuk916
New Novice
2 years ago
So you would have been okay with the loss had he set 15 teams comprising his bottom 45 units which he didn’t use to clear your defense instead of just leaving it blank? His only path to victory was you not clearing his ship because he gifted you max points on squads. You didn’t. You lost. Nothing seems dirty.
Whatelse73
New Vanguard
2 years ago
"newbornFL;d-262368" wrote:
Just had a first here, here i am in GAC , doing as usual,i see my oponent hasn't put any toons in defense,and just 3 powerfull ships ( that i couldn't bypass )

Well,initially I though,heh this guy forgot to put his defense, easy win,don't have to do anything,only now i realise how he brute forced my defense (4-5 attacks on defense ,because he has the upper hand in number of teams )

I never have seen this before,and it seems like the player isn't really penalised for not putting any defenses as he can just brute-force his way through you .

I was really caught off guard by this,and i still don't understand why it doens't count as an automatical loss if anyone does this.

It's a strategy and if it didn't work, people wouldn't do it. If I saw your ships were garbage, I'd probably do the same thing.

It's just like in lower divisions when people are facing others without a GL. They can drop SLKR on defense and it can hold pretty well vs anything. If you can't get past that GL, it doesn't matter what's behind it and they can hold more for offense to clear whatever you put down.

Then there's datacrons to aid in defense and offense which will ruin your roster for 4 months at a time.
notthatguybefor
2 years ago
It can work if you have ships that are a tier above theirs. This was a particularly fun match-up for me a month or so ago. You have to be sure they can’t break your fleets though which is harder now exe and prof have been out a while and off-meta counters are more refined.

Needless to say they didn’t break my exe
Whatelse73
New Vanguard
2 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-2411395" wrote:
"Whatelse73;c-2411394" wrote:
"newbornFL;d-262368" wrote:
Just had a first here, here i am in GAC , doing as usual,i see my oponent hasn't put any toons in defense,and just 3 powerfull ships ( that i couldn't bypass )

Well,initially I though,heh this guy forgot to put his defense, easy win,don't have to do anything,only now i realise how he brute forced my defense (4-5 attacks on defense ,because he has the upper hand in number of teams )

I never have seen this before,and it seems like the player isn't really penalised for not putting any defenses as he can just brute-force his way through you .

I was really caught off guard by this,and i still don't understand why it doens't count as an automatical loss if anyone does this.

It's a strategy and if it didn't work, people wouldn't do it. If I saw your ships were garbage, I'd probably do the same thing.

It's just like in lower divisions when people are facing others without a GL. They can drop SLKR on defense and it can hold pretty well vs anything. If you can't get past that GL, it doesn't matter what's behind it and they can hold more for offense to clear whatever you put down.

Then there's datacrons to aid in defense and offense which will ruin your roster for 4 months at a time.

I challenge you to go 24 hours without mentioning datacrons.

I challenge you to go 24 hours without complaining about other people's complaints. Boom.