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Yes, having only 40/50 sign up because 10 people have better things to do is still sandbagging. And there is nothing wrong with doing that. My guild has 5 or 6 members who only join TW sporatically. We usually only have 45 or 46 participate.
But that doesn't change the fact that it rewards the members who do sign up with an easier match up and punishes the guild with 100% participation when they get matched up together. This is the problem I am trying to solve, not pointing fingers as guilds who do that.
No it’s not sandbagging, there is an algorithm which match makes on quality of roster so it ‘should’ be balanced. But there is limited matches in certain brackets and it avoids re-matches so it’s not perfect. They did not reveal specifics at the time to prevent exploitation. If you are on a lose streak you have an easy match up, if you are on a win streak you get a punch up battle. And as I pointed out main discrepancy on the difference in sign up is activity. If there are players signing up they factor into the “sign up quality” if they do nothing or little then you will be punished for their inactivity by facing a more challenging guild without their help.
- PertorTom6 months agoRising Hotshot
It is sandbagging, definitely. What happened to my guild quite a lot of times: After loosing 2 TWs, instead of getting an easier opponent, we meet a top level guild with up to 590mio gp, where only around 35 signed up and they beat the s..t out of us. Happened several times. This is what has to be adressed. Same guild where almost everybody participates 100% in Naboo raid, but only 35 in TW? It is sandbagging.
- Rius_9755181996 months agoRising Veteran
Maybe your guild should reflect the strategy you are using if a guild with 15 less players can beat the shxt out of you? How are you guild at off meta counters, do they invest in fleet sufficiently to go against well rounded rosters. At the end of the day these are optional sign up modes. You can not blame people for having a life. If you don’t see how you “actually” lost and blame it on a conspiracy theory then how will you improve.
Also these guilds are non mandatory for TW as not signing up does not disadvantage the guild or cost rewards, you are not considered in MM it has no effect. Whereas if you do not hit the raid often and your guild is missing their target, without good reason most will kick because it hurts every other player. Same guilds which do not have TW as mandatory will expect guildies to be comparable to at least the low/medium effort of the raid bot and full deploy minimally to TB.
- PertorTom6 months agoRising Hotshot
Alright, and what strategy would you propose to our guild, when me meet an "easy" oppenent like the one discribed above? They got all the latest squads, which we can't have. Sorry, but your arguments are nothing but finding excuses for exploits which are definitely happening and need to be addressed. The highest reward tier in TW is now 4 (or 5?) years old. THIS needs to changed to a up-to-date level.
- riklass5 months agoRising Scout
Its not sandbagging. Sandbagging would require a guild to manipulate the ranking to face weaker ranked opponents. Really only way for a guild to negatively impact their ranking in TW would be to purposely lose matches to lower their ranking overtime, which isn't what is being described in the OP. The OP describes Higher Tier guilds getting matched up against each other and one guild gaining an advantage by bringing less to the fight.
- PertorTom5 months agoRising Hotshot
That's exactly what I was also talking about also. My guild is in highest tier. Felt 75% of all matches we encounter only guilds with a very much higher total GM-level but few active players. Intentional or not - I d'ont care, cause the result is the same and so both is sandbagging to me. And it seems like since we stopped trying to force our members to signup we seem to get easier opponents. And since we do this on purpose by now, I can only tell you: We are performing sandbagging! It doesn't feel right, because it's a misuse of bad game design. WE WANT HIGHER REWARD TIERS! Hear us, CG_Meathead ?
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