Ok, I believe the level cap will eventually reach 100 or above, therefore, I have an idea over stuff that adds because of it.First: Level 90, Gear 13 - 2nd Gold Ring, 7 Dot Mods, 8* - 150 Shards, Ability Level 9 - Delta Materials - BlueSecond: Level 95, Gear 14 - 3rd Gold Ring, 8 Dot Mods, 9* - 250 ShardsThird: Level 100, Gear 15 - Red Ring - Requires 8 pieces of gear, 10 Dot Mods, 10* - 370 Shards, Ability Level 10 - Alpha Materials - RedAdding a new mode for Max Level players (100): Onslaught - Face wave after wave of enemies with each wave becoming stronger and stronger. You can use one team of characters to get as far as you can, and the rewards will increase as the waves become stronger. Attempts = 5 per day.What are your guys' comments about this? I think it would be cool to have this stuff added.I posted this in General because it covers a lot of stuff.

First, 10% is not how that works, at all.However, let's accept your 10% more than the last level argument. Now, let's assume the amount of XP needed to go from level 1 to 2 is our fundamental unit.The total number of units to go from level 1 to 85 is 29981.The amount of time it takes to go from level 1 to 85 is about five months, as a rule of thumb.Now.Continue that 10% pattern out to level 90. That's 18310 units, or about 3 months to go from level 85 to 90.Continuing that 10% pattern out to level 100, that's an additional 76978 units, or about twelve months, to go from level 90 to 100.However, the actual scaling for XP and level gain does not have a unifying fixed pattern like "10% more," and is set in a more manual, setpwise fashion, such that we can't actually speculate on how long it would take to level up.

1.1 as a multiplier would still be exponential growth.X=C*1.1^NSuch that X equals the amount of XP required to get to the next level, C equals the XP required to gain your first level, and N equals your level would be an exponential growth equation.However, that's not how the XP chart works in this game.

...The "right formula" you allude to is literally the exact formula I put in there, which is a slight simplification of the exponential growth equation.

I'm not playing devil's advocate.I've been using math to tell the person who first suggested it was exponential growth at 10% more per level that they are wrong.However, 10% more per level compounding is exponential growth. That's the same principal as compound interest.

"YaeVizsla;c-1594892" wrote:I'm not playing devil's advocate.You're just wrong, and pedantic, and obnoxious.If anyone is playing devil's advocate, it's you, by constantly saying that not all multipliers mean exponential growth, when not only does "exponential" have a common English definition, but I have explicitly stated the equation I have referred to, and it is the exponential growth equation.There are equations that involve multipliers that are not exponential growth, yes.The assertion I was refuting was built on a presupposition that every level takes 10% more XP to reach than the last. Turning the word problem into math, previous generation times 1.1 across multiple generations, we get X=C*1.1^N, as I said. That is the exponential growth equation.Now back off. If anyone is muddying the waters and making things unclear, it's you, with your relentless nitpicking over my correct word choice.Excuse me? Who nitpicked what who was saying? You responded to I, I didn't begin speaking to you. I'm afraid that you have been concocting scenarios in which what I was saying was wrong since your first response to me, and then you have the gall to call me obnoxious?A 10% increase is not an exponential growth model. You have shown a formula where it could be an exponential increase, but since you missed this the last several times I said it, that isn't the formula for the response I was addressing when you decided to "correct me". No, the fact of the matter is that you are wrong, you are just playing devil's advocate, and apparently you are quite rude on top of it."Poxx;c-1599384" wrote:6 responses down was the 1st time "exponential" anything was used and "exponential growth" was the term.@Woodroward You decided upon "exponential equation" which is a definitive term and does not describe our leveling system. @YaeVizsla was correct to disagree w/ you as do i and the poster above me. Stop introducing terms yourself, laying them on others' doorsteps and arguing that it was their statement. The devil's advocate is you.I dont like agreeing w/ @YaeVizsla, we butt heads frequently but you left me no choice.I started talking about exponential growth equations. I didn't introduce terms myself. I corrected someone who was misusing the term exponential. Saying exponential equation does not a new term make. Exponential growth is represented by an exponential equation. They are one and the same, not a different term. I will continue to persist in what I am saying because it is accurate. People routinely misuse the term exponential, like it was being misused here. I pointed out that it was being misused. YaeVisla is the one who is incorrect here, and it would behoove you and the other poster above you to not attempt to "correct me" either."Jeffrome;c-1599374" wrote:Lol. You guys... @YaeVizsla is 100% correct. That is an exponential increase. @Woodroward , you’re just trying to sound extremely smart with your amazing vocabulary and better-than-average grammar... and it’s almost working. But it also doesn’t make you right.YaeVisla is correct that the formula he showed is an exponential increase, but he is not correct that that is the formula that is under discussion. a steady 10% increase represents as a line on a graph, not as a curve. It is not an exponential growth equation. This is why he is incorrect overall, because he is showing it as compounded rather than steady. He is incorrect. What I addressed is NOT exponential. The fact that he keeps showing OTHER equations that are exponential does not in any way make him right, or make what he's doing anything more than playing devil's advocate.

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BlueRoseBlade
7 years ago
"Woodroward;c-1600454" wrote:
No, 10% more than the last usually means 100 for level 1, 110 for level 2, 120 for level 3, 130 for level 4. This is not exponential growth and is represented by a line on a graph, not a curve.

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No. No, you fail. At math and at English.

10% more than the last does not mean that at all.

10% more than the last means that 10% is referencing the previous level.

So. Let's say going from level 1 to level 2 takes 100 XP.

Now, going from level 2 to level 3 takes 10% more XP than the last level. The last level took 100 XP, so this one takes 10% more, or 110 XP.

Go from level 3 to 4 takes 10% more than THE LAST LEVEL. Which was going from 2 to 3. Which was 110. So going from level 3 to 4 takes 121 XP.

Andy even gave a table clarifying what they were talking about: https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/1580050/#Comment_1580050

It's exponential growth.
almightywood
7 years ago
"YaeVizsla;c-1600458" wrote:
"Woodroward;c-1600454" wrote:
No, 10% more than the last usually means 100 for level 1, 110 for level 2, 120 for level 3, 130 for level 4. This is not exponential growth and is represented by a line on a graph, not a curve.

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No. No, you fail. At math and at English.

10% more than the last does not mean that at all.

10% more than the last means that 10% is referencing the previous level.

So. Let's say going from level 1 to level 2 takes 100 XP.

Now, going from level 2 to level 3 takes 10% more XP than the last level. The last level took 100 XP, so this one takes 10% more, or 110 XP.

Go from level 3 to 4 takes 10% more than THE LAST LEVEL. Which was going from 2 to 3. Which was 110. So going from level 3 to 4 takes 121 XP.

Andy even gave a table clarifying what they were talking about: https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/comment/1580050/#Comment_1580050

It's exponential growth.

10% more than the last is a phrase for how much of an increase there is, not a reset of what 100% is. It means each level increases by the same amount of needed xp, and could be done with addition instead of multiplication. That is why the term compounded exists.

If it seems differently to you, then I'm sorry, but that's not what the common usage is, nor the technical one.

EDIT: you're right. He did show math that was exponential. I was simply going off of what he described with his words, and 10% more than the last is not exponential unless it says compounded too.
almightywood
7 years ago
To be really mathematically feasible, the compounding must also be given as a rate. Like interest in a bank could be compounded monthly, quarterly, or annually depending on the type of account you have.

Luckily we can simplify the terminology on this topic since the rate is every level. But, speaking about terminology here, without the term compounded or some word like resetting, one should assume that the 100% remains static.

Just adding "than the last" to "10% more" doesn't change it's meaning. It's just telling us what it's 10% more than, not what represents 100%.

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