Mandalorian S2:E8 Chat (SPOILERS)

To me, this was a sign that Disney no longer intends to make good Star Wars; only crowd pleasing Star Wars.

It’s an unpopular opinion, I know, but I was disappointed with season 1 of the Mandalorian. It was a show that sacrificed plot for action, and character development was limited even in the long drawn out sequences of the show. But at least it was a show about the Mandalorian.

This new season was worse. Favreau and Filoni seemed to drop any goal they had of making something powerful: Most of the show is plot or action, and even the plot is just explained away. I loved seeing Boba, and Ashoka, and Hamill, but this show needs to become its own thing. This was their first chance to show that Star Wars can be amazing without the Skywalker Saga, and it failed with this last episode. My favorite episode was the only episode not written my Favreau and Filoni because it had actual character development, and rich dialogue.

I know that everyone here is about to tell me how wrong I am, but you just can’t deny that this show is beginning to show cracks. It hurt me to watch this finale.

In all fairness, the line between good and crowd pleasing has become blurred lately. I’m no expert on film, but maybe a crowd pleasing approach is considered good TV now, and maybe that’s not a bad thing. But I still can’t shake that feeling that this show is being run by a section of people full of toxicity and nostalgia that aren’t willing to let their childhood or Legends go. I understand that position. But I don’t think that’s how we should run Star Wars.

Hammil’s IG post is classic.

"Nihion;c-2207036" wrote:
To me, this was a sign that Disney no longer intends to make good Star Wars; only crowd pleasing Star Wars.

It’s an unpopular opinion, I know, but I was disappointed with season 1 of the Mandalorian. It was a show that sacrificed plot for action, and character development was limited even in the long drawn out sequences of the show. But at least it was a show about the Mandalorian.

This new season was worse. Favreau and Filoni seemed to drop any goal they had of making something powerful: Most of the show is plot or action, and even the plot is just explained away. I loved seeing Boba, and Ashoka, and Hamill, but this show needs to become its own thing. This was their first chance to show that Star Wars can be amazing without the Skywalker Saga, and it failed with this last episode. My favorite episode was the only episode not written my Favreau and Filoni because it had actual character development, and rich dialogue.

I know that everyone here is about to tell me how wrong I am, but you just can’t deny that this show is beginning to show cracks. It hurt me to watch this finale.

In all fairness, the line between good and crowd pleasing has become blurred lately. I’m no expert on film, but maybe a crowd pleasing approach is considered good TV now, and maybe that’s not a bad thing. But I still can’t shake that feeling that this show is being run by a section of people full of toxicity and nostalgia that aren’t willing to let their childhood or Legends go. I understand that position. But I don’t think that’s how we should run Star Wars.

To be fair, a show that doesn’t please the target audience usually gets canceled. Though I agree, Luke was literally the last Jedi I wanted to see, but he was the obvious one. Was what I would call a cliche moment.

The show exists in the SW universe. To have tie ins to the rest of the universe is not a bad thing, expected, and pretty normal. As long as the tie ins don’t take over the show, then I don’t have an issue with them. There has to be a good balance, and I think they’ve done that. If you removed all tie ins then you’d have nothing left.

Luke with Force Crush? Make it happen CG!

"Chucko_marek;c-2206973" wrote:
Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

Now you can change the god-awful JKL animations for something better

"Vos_Landeck;c-2207062" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-2206973" wrote:
Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point


Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.

"Chucko_marek;c-2207074" wrote:

"Vos_Landeck;c-2207062" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-2206973" wrote:
Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point

Spoiler

Maul was defeated by Obi Wan, Obi Wan by Vader and Vader by Luke? So Luke would be the rightful ruler of Mandalor? Hopefully in season 3

Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.

Lol, the spoiler is hilarious but True! Could be Mando’s ticket back to Grogu!!

"TheChild_eats_eggs1;c-2207088" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-2207074" wrote:

"Vos_Landeck;c-2207062" wrote:

"Chucko_marek;c-2206973" wrote:
Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point

Spoiler

Maul was defeated by Obi Wan, Obi Wan by Vader and Vader by Luke? So Luke would be the rightful ruler of Mandalor? Hopefully in season 3

Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.

Lol, the spoiler is hilarious but True! Could be Mando’s ticket back to Grogu!!

Mando shows up at his door. “Listen, I’m taking the child, you can fight Bo Katan for the dark saber. Bye Felicia!” Then he leaves to go find a ship.