When upgrading mods, does the order of the secondary stats play any role in the probability that the stat will increase? There are 4 secondary mod stats. Does the stat in the 1st slot have more of a chance to increase in value than the stat in slots 2, 3, and 4? Is slot 4 the least likely to increase in value when upgrading, or are all four slots equal in probability to increase in value when upgrading? Thanks.

All 4 slots have 25% chance of increasing. The first secondary isn’t more likely to increase than the second, third or fourth secondary

"WEDWAY;d-201663" wrote:When upgrading mods, does the order of the secondary stats play any role in the probability that the stat will increase? There are 4 secondary mod stats. Does the stat in the 1st slot have more of a chance to increase in value than the stat in slots 2, 3, and 4? Is slot 4 the least likely to increase in value when upgrading, or are all four slots equal in probability to increase in value when upgrading? Thanks.Update: Had forgotten about the change to second stats when slicing was updated. That explains the skew. They've never publicized any probabilities for slicing. However, I've sliced and upgraded thousands of mods, and never noticed skew towards certain positions. That being said, I've also not recorded data surrounding it. I just assume it's an equal probability. For fun, I just took a look at all my mods with +20 or greater speed. I have a total of 19 mods that are at +20 or above speed. The speed stat positions for those mods:First - 10Second - 6Third - 2Fourth -1So, out of my very limited sample size there does appear to be a skew towards the top. However, since my sample size is very small, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it.

My mod roster is the same. The reason is that back in the olden days (pre Mods 2.0) you used to only keep coloured mods that already showed speed. These mods were effectively pre-selected and promoted to see if they’d continue to proc lots of speed. Anything that didn’t already show speed was sold without upgrading. Hence the bias towards the top two slots.

"Ascetic_Monkfish;c-1838022" wrote:My mod roster is the same. The reason is that back in the olden days (pre Mods 2.0) you used to only keep coloured mods that already showed speed. These mods were effectively pre-selected and promoted to see if they’d continue to proc lots of speed. Anything that didn’t already show speed was sold without upgrading. Hence the bias towards the top two slots.Oooh, good call! I didn't consider that, and there's no way to know if a mod was obtained pre or post slicing.

"BaldingHead90;c-1838553" wrote:"Ultra;c-1837996" wrote:All 4 slots have 25% chance of increasing. The first secondary isn’t more likely to increase than the second, third or fourth secondaryDude you literally always post stuff like this. 100% certainty about things that nobody ever claimed or stated. This makes you seem like a fool, no offense, but please stop assuming things just because they seem obvious to you. Unless it's been officially stated by the devs, or unless you are a dev or know a dev personally and this was confirmed to you, please refrain from stating things as if they are facts.You're right, nobody at CG has confirmed this in any way. However, since mods 2.0 launched this has been accepted as fact in the forums. A quick search turned up a half a dozen posts stating the 25% chance and none of them were meet with opposition. Do you offer new information that might change our understanding of the chance of each slot upgrading?

Mod’s Secondary Stats Probability to Increase

19 Replies

haskhanhaskhan
6 years ago
It's because ultra in an alt account of CG. There is no way s/he will write anything "heavily negative" or that goes against what is officially stated.
haskhanhaskhan
6 years ago
And the above post will be deleted asap by CG
homerjsolo
6 years ago
"BaldingHead90;c-1838553" wrote:
"Ultra;c-1837996" wrote:
All 4 slots have 25% chance of increasing. The first secondary isn’t more likely to increase than the second, third or fourth secondary

Dude you literally always post stuff like this. 100% certainty about things that nobody ever claimed or stated. This makes you seem like a fool, no offense, but please stop assuming things just because they seem obvious to you. Unless it's been officially stated by the devs, or unless you are a dev or know a dev personally and this was confirmed to you, please refrain from stating things as if they are facts.

You're right, nobody at CG has confirmed this in any way. However, since mods 2.0 launched this has been accepted as fact in the forums. A quick search turned up a half a dozen posts stating the 25% chance and none of them were meet with opposition. Do you offer new information that might change our understanding of the chance of each slot upgrading?
vincentlondon
6 years ago
1/256 chances that the same secondary increases 5 times

= 0,39%
111Deep
6 years ago
1/4 × 1/4 × 1/4 × 1/4 = 1/256 for a God mod. Basically the odds of pulling 145 shards from a marquee pack.
vincentlondon
6 years ago
It s even less than that because even if it upgrade 5 times on speed, each upgrade adds between 3 to 6 speed so if you are not lucky you could get just 15 speed but if you are super lucky then you get the max = 30 speed

Basically the odds of getting 30 speed secondary are very very very low
NotRealUltra
Legend
6 years ago
"TOYODAcamry;c-1838581" wrote:
It's because ultra in an alt account of CG. There is no way s/he will write anything "heavily negative" or that goes against what is officially stated.
"BaldingHead90;c-1838553" wrote:
"Ultra;c-1837996" wrote:
All 4 slots have 25% chance of increasing. The first secondary isn’t more likely to increase than the second, third or fourth secondary

Dude you literally always post stuff like this. 100% certainty about things that nobody ever claimed or stated. This makes you seem like a fool, no offense, but please stop assuming things just because they seem obvious to you. Unless it's been officially stated by the devs, or unless you are a dev or know a dev personally and this was confirmed to you, please refrain from stating things as if they are facts.
That's right

I'm a CG burner account who always posts things without any official confirmation

Its not like I have evidence to back up my claims or anything
henki47
New Veteran
6 years ago
I farm since mods 2.0... and still no secondary speed with 20+ ... when you are not lucky...
kieronkumar
6 years ago
"BaldingHead90;c-1838692" wrote:
"Ultra;c-1838683" wrote:
"TOYODAcamry;c-1838581" wrote:
It's because ultra in an alt account of CG. There is no way s/he will write anything "heavily negative" or that goes against what is officially stated.
"BaldingHead90;c-1838553" wrote:
"Ultra;c-1837996" wrote:
All 4 slots have 25% chance of increasing. The first secondary isn’t more likely to increase than the second, third or fourth secondary

Dude you literally always post stuff like this. 100% certainty about things that nobody ever claimed or stated. This makes you seem like a fool, no offense, but please stop assuming things just because they seem obvious to you. Unless it's been officially stated by the devs, or unless you are a dev or know a dev personally and this was confirmed to you, please refrain from stating things as if they are facts.
That's right

I'm a CG burner account who always posts things without any official confirmation

Its not like I have evidence to back up my claims or anything

Definitely more convincing to link the info like you just did here instead of a statement without explanation

It was a statement that's been generally accepted as common knowledge for many, many months now. Do you expect us to cite literally everything we say on the forums?