Moff Gideon's Leader Ability Description Was Missing the Word "Also"

"Lor_San_Teka;c-2201017" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2200919" wrote:

"Lor_San_Teka;c-2200906" wrote:

"DarthGlovoc;c-2200882" wrote:

"Lor_San_Teka;c-2200877" wrote:
I'm not a CG apologist by any stretch, but I don't see how the word "also" changes anything. The original descriptions was "if all allies are IT..." How does "also" change the makeup of 2 attackers, 1 tank, 1 support?

The also means that to receive any of the three lower clauses (offense, insight stacks, and revives) you have to have 2 attackers, 1 tank, and 1 support. It reduces his plug n play viability as a leader and restricts him to ITs, so if someone doesn't have full ITs and zetad his lead under miscommunicated pretenses they want their zeta back.

Yeah, still I don't get it. Leadership is role-specific for the 4 spots. Then Zeta adds some nice things for a full IT squad (which means those roles are still needed).

If I was gonna be upset about something, it's that his leadership is useless in dumb 3v3.

Trust me, I'm fully open some justified CG outrage. Just I don't see the interpretation here other than "bad reading comprehension."

To be fair, I dont think its "reading comprehension", it appears like your adding the zeta to gain more flexibility to just using IT, over the restricted setup of the first part. The word also, removes any question of this being 2 separate elements, and since the first part is not IT specific by any means, Also is a very important distinction.

Oooooh. OK. I get it now. See, I was just going by the upgrade path, which starts out with "have 2 of these, 1 each of these..." So, if people were going by the FULL text, like in the kit reveal (which I don't read, because I like to break things down into their individual upgrades), then NOW I see where one would get confused.

Thanks!

Thats interesting. I dont ever expect to not upgrade an ability fully, so I tend to always read the full thing, and for new toons, generally make the decisions based on the text here and not in game. (which I do not recommend)

I totally understood it the way it was corrected to, didn't know was an issue until i came to the forum, original text seemed pretty clear. I think the tag is great and will be using him with My IT's.

"rickertron;c-2201815" wrote:
I totally understood it the way it was corrected to, didn't know was an issue until i came to the forum, original text seemed pretty clear. I think the tag is great and will be using him with My IT's.

I'm just glad I didn't add the zeta, cause the best imp team including him probably doesn't have him in the lead (veers lead is ultimately better) and probably includes 5 support (veers starck mg piett pimp)

"thedrjojo;c-2202625" wrote:

"rickertron;c-2201815" wrote:
I totally understood it the way it was corrected to, didn't know was an issue until i came to the forum, original text seemed pretty clear. I think the tag is great and will be using him with My IT's.

I'm just glad I didn't add the zeta, cause the best imp team including him probably doesn't have him in the lead (veers lead is ultimately better) and probably includes 5 support (veers starck mg piett pimp)

Is Veers lead better because of the turn meter an speed?

I would think the stacking offense, revive, health gain, protection gain, stacking insight make Gideon's leadership better than veers or at least on par in terms of improved offense and survivability. than the TM gain and reduction on enemies from "Control the Situation balances out the TM and speed gains from Veers leadership. Finally you add in the demoralized effect on enemies and Gideon makes an effective leader for IT on par with Veers.

Although I do see the flexibility of team comp under Veers as being desirable and limiting for the use of Gideon as a leader. With that said, not disappointed in putting a Zeta on Gideon's lead. He will be very useful as a leader or plug n play with other teams.

Problem is if it was not limited to 2 attackers, 1 tank, 2 support counting mg, mg lead might be better... Mg lead, veers starck piett and death or pimp would be a deadly team. But I think you weaken the imps by forcing only 1 additional support and 2 attackers, since basically veers starck piett and pimp are all better and do more than death snow or magma. We need more attacker imps to really make it worth it.

Honestly, I'm using vader mg piett Thrawn and royal guard (my shore is only g12 vs r3 for rg) and beating rey titans now without using my wat or traya, and that leaves your traditional veers starck pimp snow death team intact

Honestly, this feels like Darth Revan all over again, where the kit is like "feels like something is missing" then Malak comes a few weeks later. Seems tailor made for Dark Trooper as an attacker.

"Lor_San_Teka;c-2203603" wrote:
Honestly, this feels like Darth Revan all over again, where the kit is like "feels like something is missing" then Malak comes a few weeks later. Seems tailor made for Dark Trooper as an attacker.

Yeah hopefully we see some Dark Trooper action at the final - CG seems also to wait, to get a kit linked to the scenes/abilities. Biggest problem is, currently Moff needs AI adjustments to open with the one and only right move @CG_Doja_Fett @CG_SBCrumb. Than the attacker role for troopers (or Gideons not clearly worded lead) isnt the problem - another support role is needed cause currently you need Range Trooper or Piett, both are a very good part of Veers troopers and you will weaken your first Trooper Squad here. So crafting another Character for Troopers (and Dark Troopers surely are Attackers) may improve the team with the right abilities but it will not be a huge step IF you already can build a Veers AND a Moff Gideon Squad with them. A scout trooper (clearly support) would be easily the better team member.

Dark Trooper (even with bonkers kit) result only in the fact, that you cut not bad performing attackers and bench them to the already big "left overs" like Gar, ISC, RG, Krennic etc.

Found ^^ (hehe).
Shard drops made right with the world after a nerf for character drops using bronzium cards.
Great event start for Mando.
Strong update.

EDITS:
How about that new rancor raid feedback and addressing additive, bonus drop rates for IG-11 and Kuiil? All could truly be almost right in the world, minus SEE...

Checked with devs. Gideon is WAI. No plans for AI change at this time. Thought y'all would want to know.

"CG_Doja_Fett;c-2205516" wrote:
Checked with devs. Gideon is WAI. No plans for AI change at this time. Thought y'all would want to know.

Did they clarify why they prefer Darksaber over the other ability?