I spent quite some time narrowing down this bug and asking the devs to fix it and following up. To their credit, they did fix it. Unfortunately, the result was the unleashing of a monster: PvP arena is now filled with annoying DODGEDODGEDODGE teams. The dodging is bad enough but now they all get offense up when they do it.I thought the speed meta stunk, but this makes me want to throw my phone against a wall on a regular basis.Ironically, I don't even use Dooku as leader myself. I tried it but prefer Jinn still. Go figure.

Jinn leader vs. Dooku gets toasted.But, Dooku leader actually opens up tanks for meta, they can outlast the cannons. Just don't fight a dooku leader with cannons with Jinn leader + cannons. Even if you have RG, you're asking for PAIN! :)Actually I'm glad he got that bump. Other evade leaders need a similar fix.

"JohnnySteelAlpha;231125" wrote:Jinn leader vs. Dooku gets toasted.On defense, sure, but nothing really works on defense short of whale teams I can't make.On offense, Yoda neutralizes Dooku quite effectively. After that it's mostly RNG. All the green splats are also tasty treats for Jinn, whom Dooku will try but fail to stun.Like Dooku himself, Dooku-led teams are generally more annoying than deadly. But when they are annoying, they are seriously annoying. :)I'm not really unhappy that this got fixed, it needed to, and I do think it could open up cool teams in the future. I do suspect that something is wrong and the dodge chances overall are now too high.

I kind of like it. I feel it adds more to the game. I used to be able to face roll on offense; now, I sometimes lose to rng. I am fine with that. It's not as good a pure strategy, but perhaps we can get an accuracy stat added to the game. I think that would help some toons become playable. Sure it sucks to hit Rey to 80% and open up next with a GS assist to finish her off and she dodges the final attack and RG gets to taunt me away from ending her. I feel defense is a bit more viable now even if it's more lame rng.Ultimately it's not dodge that is the issue. It's still the imbalance between speed of offense vs hp/defense.

It was really bad timing on the part of the devs. They fixed/buffed the dodge ability in general a couple weeks ago, then they fixed the dodge leader abilities and now with the AI RNG buff they've created a monster. I have The Dookinator at 7* but haven't tried him at lead yet, not sure I have the right team makeup to exploit it

My apologies to the SWGOH for pushing to get Dooku's leader ability fixed

JohnnySteelAlph
9 years ago
Jinn leader vs. Dooku gets toasted.

But, Dooku leader actually opens up tanks for meta, they can outlast the cannons. Just don't fight a dooku leader with cannons with Jinn leader + cannons. Even if you have RG, you're asking for PAIN! :)

Actually I'm glad he got that bump. Other evade leaders need a similar fix.
Qeltarr
9 years ago
"JohnnySteelAlpha;231125" wrote:
Jinn leader vs. Dooku gets toasted.

On defense, sure, but nothing really works on defense short of whale teams I can't make.
On offense, Yoda neutralizes Dooku quite effectively. After that it's mostly RNG. All the green splats are also tasty treats for Jinn, whom Dooku will try but fail to stun.
Like Dooku himself, Dooku-led teams are generally more annoying than deadly. But when they are annoying, they are seriously annoying. :)
I'm not really unhappy that this got fixed, it needed to, and I do think it could open up cool teams in the future. I do suspect that something is wrong and the dodge chances overall are now too high.
somuchhubris
9 years ago
I kind of like it. I feel it adds more to the game. I used to be able to face roll on offense; now, I sometimes lose to rng. I am fine with that.

It's not as good a pure strategy, but perhaps we can get an accuracy stat added to the game. I think that would help some toons become playable.

Sure it sucks to hit Rey to 80% and open up next with a GS assist to finish her off and she dodges the final attack and RG gets to taunt me away from ending her. I feel defense is a bit more viable now even if it's more lame rng.

Ultimately it's not dodge that is the issue. It's still the imbalance between speed of offense vs hp/defense.
tromedlov13
9 years ago
It was really bad timing on the part of the devs. They fixed/buffed the dodge ability in general a couple weeks ago, then they fixed the dodge leader abilities and now with the AI RNG buff they've created a monster.

I have The Dookinator at 7* but haven't tried him at lead yet, not sure I have the right team makeup to exploit it
smooth2772
9 years ago
Ask and you shall receive....
JohnnySteelAlph
9 years ago
"Qeltar;231136" wrote:
"JohnnySteelAlpha;231125" wrote:
Jinn leader vs. Dooku gets toasted.

On defense, sure, but nothing really works on defense short of whale teams I can't make.
On offense, Yoda neutralizes Dooku quite effectively. After that it's mostly RNG. All the green splats are also tasty treats for Jinn, whom Dooku will try but fail to stun.
Like Dooku himself, Dooku-led teams are generally more annoying than deadly. But when they are annoying, they are seriously annoying. :)
I'm not really unhappy that this got fixed, it needed to, and I do think it could open up cool teams in the future. I do suspect that something is wrong and the dodge chances overall are now too high.

- attack a Dooku leader with a 7* RG enough with a Jinn leader and you'll lose - I did a few times :) RG dodges decently and with good tenacity + evade leader ... my Jinn so far is 0-5 dispelling RG. One time he also dodged 5 consecutive shots.
Qeltarr
9 years ago
I have Rey now at 215 shards and was planning to use her and Yoda with Dooku on an evasion team.. way back when. But I think by the time I get this all together, it will be too late and the meta will shift with the big update (assuming it comes in my lifetime).
somuchhubris
9 years ago
"JohnnySteelAlpha;231147" wrote:
"Qeltar;231136" wrote:
"JohnnySteelAlpha;231125" wrote:
Jinn leader vs. Dooku gets toasted.

On defense, sure, but nothing really works on defense short of whale teams I can't make.
On offense, Yoda neutralizes Dooku quite effectively. After that it's mostly RNG. All the green splats are also tasty treats for Jinn, whom Dooku will try but fail to stun.
Like Dooku himself, Dooku-led teams are generally more annoying than deadly. But when they are annoying, they are seriously annoying. :)
I'm not really unhappy that this got fixed, it needed to, and I do think it could open up cool teams in the future. I do suspect that something is wrong and the dodge chances overall are now too high.

- attack a Dooku leader with a 7* RG enough with a Jinn leader and you'll lose - I did a few times :) RG dodges decently and with good tenacity + evade leader ... my Jinn so far is 0-5 dispelling RG. One time he also dodged 5 consecutive shots.

This is why I am okay with the dodge. Before dooku came up, it was easy to "poke" Rey then finish her with an assist special and get around the rg taunt. Now, there is a chance my strategy fails and the AI has a chance to beat me.

My rg is at 5* 25/85. I will plop him in when I get him to 6*.
mattomabs
9 years ago
"JohnnySteelAlpha;231125" wrote:
Jinn leader vs. Dooku gets toasted.

But, Dooku leader actually opens up tanks for meta, they can outlast the cannons. Just don't fight a dooku leader with cannons with Jinn leader + cannons. Even if you have RG, you're asking for PAIN! :)

Actually I'm glad he got that bump. Other evade leaders need a similar fix.

I agree. I don't understand how you only fix Dooku's leader ability when people are complaining about the other abilities not working either. I assume fixing all the dodge leader abilities would be similar to Dooku's fix in difficulty.
jaden_ljy
9 years ago
My droid team get squashed without even killing an opponent! What the actual heck is this mess. The dodge rng is out of control!