I want to start that I loved the Naboo raid at the start. It was a fun new puzzle to figure out. But several months on now I must say this is probably the single biggest chore in the game and I fully dread every week when the raid starts now.So the question I would like to ask folks is does anyone even still like this raid. Does anyone even remotely find it fun or engaging content to do every week? Visually it is great and then theme is spot on to the movie with the ground and space pieces so it is great in that aspect.I have 4 teams built: Gungans w/jar jar at r7.I have QA and bros at R5(still taking to R7) I have Lumi, Kit, KAM, Plo, Qui at R5I have B2, Maul, Sidious, IG-100, droideka at R5It literally take me 2-5 hours every week to remod and run multiple attempts becasue of the crap rng or the stupid healing is just crazy strong and if you can't nuke a char in a single turn it will just be full healed and that just means you have wasted valuable enrage and time. I am sick of it. I have played 2 accounts for over 3 years and I would regular spend on both(not kraken or whale but conquest passes and crystal packs). I have fully quit my second account about a month ago because the raid is too much effort and time to spend every week. The only positive I see from this raid is that gungan omi lets me press auto but even that isn't a sure thing and sometimes have to restart it over because of droideka shield crap.One of my biggest issues is that from the very basics of the raid design it is built as a giant F U to the player base. Not only is every tier gated behind gear requirements forcing you to bring up relics. Even after you hit that gear you have stupid high mod checks after that too. I'll admit I don't care much for mods so don't invest much in them but even after bringing a full team to R5 which is a big investment if you don't have really good mods then you are not clearing or max score. The double whammy of reqs is a slap in the face from CG. One or the other, either make me gear or put crazy mod checks but to add both and then still have a lot of RNG is just bad and it makes me not want to engage with the game nearly as much. especially when you add in having to deal with conquest being an absolute chore and slog to get through it really adds up to hurting the game experience. Why is one attempt with my Lumi squad hit enrage in wave 4-5 but then other times I hit max score with only 80% enrage. That is far too much of a swing when using the same mods and overall strategy. LOTR HOME had the exact same issue, I loved the raid at first it was great fun with unique phases but then there was so much rng that I was spending hours and hours retrying for that perfect RNG that I just quit playing(funny enough a week before the closure announcement because week over week there wasn't any real improvement. If you kept gearing you could bump up a tier maybe but then it was still just an RNG fest and there was never a feeling of improvement because extra gear just resulted in the same phase but bigger numbers and still RNG.Thoughts? am I isolated in this?

The RNG factor regarding the Leader abilities reaaaaally sucks. Enough is with the debuff/critchance/counterattack chance. I get you and feel you, It is just not fun to be so rng based. Like, they heard us from the speeder, almost no rng involved, fast and boring, and turned it 180 degrees and did the opposite, not boring, but veery rng, takes a ton of time. I think the last time it was fun was the sith triunvirate lmao

Personally I really haven’t liked this raid since it started. Yes they did a good job on the aesthetics of the battlefield, but the battle is so boring. Take a turn, then wait 20 seconds while they take 20 turns and regain health and protection. It’s so boring. I miss the old Tank Raid and Sith Triumpherate Raid where you had different phases with their own look and strategy. And you worked together as a guild to accomplish the goal. These last 3 raids (Krayt, Endor, Naboo) are lackluster and not very creative.

So first, let me say that the raid should NOT give such a bad experience to any player, and I totally hear that many players hate this thing. With that out of the way, I'd like to talk about a couple things that make life easier -- this is not to defend CG, but rather to help you have better QOL despite the raid's problems. R7: Most of the factions get significant bonuses at r7 that makes the r7+ tiers easier than all the lower tiers. Queen Amidala can be frustrating even at r7, I admit, but Jedi and Gungans are very reliable at r7 with minimal remods. The more squads you can get to r7, the easier your life will be. 2. Mod Loadouts: To make life as easy as possible on myself, I use just a few loadouts. My Sana Starros mods go on someone who needs offence, potency, and speed, my GL Leia mods go on someone who needs a lot of speed and a lot of survivability, and so on. By taking the set of a toon that already has more or less what I need, without worrying about making things perfect, changing mods becomes much easier. (There are also paid solutions like HotUtils which is a great QOL benefit, but since it costs money, I do not recommend it for anyone with a lot of money to spend on games.) Try creating a tab with the default mods of all the toons you remod in the raids, then another tab with the toons whose mod sets you're borrowing for the raids. Also, don't remod more than you need to. For the Jedi, remodding Lumi and Kit is probably necessary. But they might be the only two. I also remod my Jedi Knight Guardian (she's r8 for TB Ops platoons) because her mods are just completely terrible, but I don't remod the other two Jedi on my Lumi team. Gungans are so good at r7 and higher that you probably don't need to remodel any of them, though you can to make things easier if that bothers you less then playing the raid itself. My mods on my gungans are good enough, and I max out with them every time, but I'm sure that does depend at least somewhat on mods. If you fail to max even once at r7, try remodding Boss Nass and Boombadier. 3. Jedi: This team can be incredibly reliable at r7+, though the first 2 waves can also be tricky. If the enrage timer is over 32% after the first 2 waves, restart right away rather than playing all the way through. You can use KAM and a pair of strong supports (like GMY and Shaak) to really boost your power and reliability here, but if you have other Jedi and can get max scores without them, a second Jedi squad led by Kelleran Beq will need KAM + supports more than Lumi's squad. My Lumi squad is Lumi (L) + Kit Fisto, Shaak, Aayla, and Jedi Knight Guardian. Only Shaak is a truly good toon that weakens my KB squad by its inclusion here, but I like her dispel on basic against the DDK droids. 4. Gungans: As mentioned above, this team performs very, very well. They are really the premiere team of this raid. If you don't have enough good mods that your Gungans are using all 6-dot mods right now, you might wish to remod, but they do gain quite a bit of turn meter and it shouldn't be too hard to max out every time -- especially with JarJar. If you don't have JarJar, maxing out is possible but not as reliable and remodding is recommended. Without JarJar the Omicron might help you. With JarJar it doesn't matter. I know an Omicron might seem a steep cost, but this isn't about the power to do X. This is about quality of life. What is your sanity worth? Save an hour of your life each week: if you don't have JarJar, just drop the Omicron and feel happier instantly. 5. Queen Amidala: Her squad requires her unique buff. She gains her unique buff only by gaining and then losing Healing over Time while her Decoy tank is on the board. A huge number of people -- including me -- have made the mistake of summoning the decoy right away in the battle, but with too many droids on the board, she doesn't last. Wait until there are only 2-3 total droids left in p1 (that includes the commander, so only 1-2 normal B1 droids) before summoning the decoy, then slow the battle down by using basics with everyone except MQG, who should use his middle ability if possible, basic otherwise. This should allow you to pick up some HoT and have them dispelled by the Commander (or just expire) before the end of that wave, which will boost your survivability and damage. The max of this buff is 10 stacks, and you want them all. If you don't get 10 stacks by the end of the 2nd wave, restart. (Life gets easier at r9, but let's not talk about r9 -- it's too hard to acquire for most people.) 6. Other squads: Other squads are much more subject to RNG, though Maul+Sidius teams can do serious damage, even max damage, if they are modded perfectly. This requires unique mod sets rather than just grabbing a full set from someone. Feel free to create those sets if you like, but with Maul+Sidius and any other squads besides Lumi, Gungans, and QA, it's easier to make peace with the fact that you're not going to get max score and just choose to live with less than max and be happy about that. Other squads (like KB squads) don't require such precise modding, but (like Maul+Sidius squads) they're also not as reliable as the three I listed above. If you're already maxing out the first 3 teams and you're feeling negative emotions about playing the raid, make a couple attempts and just settle for something reasonable. TO SUM UP: I know that CG has a responsibility to make the game fun and they're failing you, but there are some steps you can take to make things easier, less time consuming, and more focussed on the fun. Since the raid is here for another 5-6 months, putting in a bit of effort here can make a difference in your mental health for a good half year. I'm not trying to make excuses for CG, but think about doing some of the above. It might be worth it.

I really hate this raid because you have to spend too much time. I need 10.6 Mio. for guild that we get the red box. I'm happy when we get a new raid again. This raid is a reason for me to leave the game - the health and protection regeneration of the B1 is insane. I'm not sure why CG doesn't change this - perhaps we need a petition for this... it's sad...

I hate this raid, it feels like a really horrible horde mode. The healing, TM gain, and lack of toons to use are what's making me hate it. I get around 10 mill. Just depends if I wanna keep trying to get max points with QA team. My 5th team is a joke and clears two waves then dies. There have been a couple times that I just want to quit the game because of how frustrating my QA teams RNG can get.I don't like the new raid system. The next raid could be even worse or could be better but CG is going to move the goal posts on us. With going to this raid, putting in money and time just to get less rewards isn't worth it. (My guild is making the same rewards as the last raid now)

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erikopter
Seasoned Novice
3 months ago
The RNG factor regarding the Leader abilities reaaaaally sucks. Enough is with the debuff/critchance/counterattack chance. I get you and feel you, It is just not fun to be so rng based. Like, they heard us from the speeder, almost no rng involved, fast and boring, and turned it 180 degrees and did the opposite, not boring, but veery rng, takes a ton of time. I think the last time it was fun was the sith triunvirate lmao
cr_sw_70
Rising Rookie
3 months ago
Personally I really haven’t liked this raid since it started. Yes they did a good job on the aesthetics of the battlefield, but the battle is so boring. Take a turn, then wait 20 seconds while they take 20 turns and regain health and protection. It’s so boring. I miss the old Tank Raid and Sith Triumpherate Raid where you had different phases with their own look and strategy. And you worked together as a guild to accomplish the goal.
These last 3 raids (Krayt, Endor, Naboo) are lackluster and not very creative.
MasterSeedy
New Ace
3 months ago
So first, let me say that the raid should NOT give such a bad experience to any player, and I totally hear that many players hate this thing.
With that out of the way, I'd like to talk about a couple things that make life easier -- this is not to defend CG, but rather to help you have better QOL despite the raid's problems.
R7:
Most of the factions get significant bonuses at r7 that makes the r7+ tiers easier than all the lower tiers. Queen Amidala can be frustrating even at r7, I admit, but Jedi and Gungans are very reliable at r7 with minimal remods. The more squads you can get to r7, the easier your life will be.
2. Mod Loadouts:
To make life as easy as possible on myself, I use just a few loadouts. My Sana Starros mods go on someone who needs offence, potency, and speed, my GL Leia mods go on someone who needs a lot of speed and a lot of survivability, and so on. By taking the set of a toon that already has more or less what I need, without worrying about making things perfect, changing mods becomes much easier. (There are also paid solutions like HotUtils which is a great QOL benefit, but since it costs money, I do not recommend it for anyone with a lot of money to spend on games.) Try creating a tab with the default mods of all the toons you remod in the raids, then another tab with the toons whose mod sets you're borrowing for the raids.
Also, don't remod more than you need to. For the Jedi, remodding Lumi and Kit is probably necessary. But they might be the only two. I also remod my Jedi Knight Guardian (she's r8 for TB Ops platoons) because her mods are just completely terrible, but I don't remod the other two Jedi on my Lumi team. Gungans are so good at r7 and higher that you probably don't need to remodel any of them, though you can to make things easier if that bothers you less then playing the raid itself. My mods on my gungans are good enough, and I max out with them every time, but I'm sure that does depend at least somewhat on mods. If you fail to max even once at r7, try remodding Boss Nass and Boombadier.
3. Jedi:
This team can be incredibly reliable at r7+, though the first 2 waves can also be tricky. If the enrage timer is over 32% after the first 2 waves, restart right away rather than playing all the way through.
You can use KAM and a pair of strong supports (like GMY and Shaak) to really boost your power and reliability here, but if you have other Jedi and can get max scores without them, a second Jedi squad led by Kelleran Beq will need KAM + supports more than Lumi's squad. My Lumi squad is Lumi (L) + Kit Fisto, Shaak, Aayla, and Jedi Knight Guardian. Only Shaak is a truly good toon that weakens my KB squad by its inclusion here, but I like her dispel on basic against the DDK droids.
4. Gungans:
As mentioned above, this team performs very, very well. They are really the premiere team of this raid. If you don't have enough good mods that your Gungans are using all 6-dot mods right now, you might wish to remod, but they do gain quite a bit of turn meter and it shouldn't be too hard to max out every time -- especially with JarJar. If you don't have JarJar, maxing out is possible but not as reliable and remodding is recommended. Without JarJar the Omicron might help you. With JarJar it doesn't matter.
I know an Omicron might seem a steep cost, but this isn't about the power to do X. This is about quality of life. What is your sanity worth? Save an hour of your life each week: if you don't have JarJar, just drop the Omicron and feel happier instantly.
5. Queen Amidala:
Her squad requires her unique buff. She gains her unique buff only by gaining and then losing Healing over Time while her Decoy tank is on the board. A huge number of people -- including me -- have made the mistake of summoning the decoy right away in the battle, but with too many droids on the board, she doesn't last. Wait until there are only 2-3 total droids left in p1 (that includes the commander, so only 1-2 normal B1 droids) before summoning the decoy, then slow the battle down by using basics with everyone except MQG, who should use his middle ability if possible, basic otherwise.
This should allow you to pick up some HoT and have them dispelled by the Commander (or just expire) before the end of that wave, which will boost your survivability and damage. The max of this buff is 10 stacks, and you want them all. If you don't get 10 stacks by the end of the 2nd wave, restart. (Life gets easier at r9, but let's not talk about r9 -- it's too hard to acquire for most people.)
6. Other squads:
Other squads are much more subject to RNG, though Maul+Sidius teams can do serious damage, even max damage, if they are modded perfectly. This requires unique mod sets rather than just grabbing a full set from someone. Feel free to create those sets if you like, but with Maul+Sidius and any other squads besides Lumi, Gungans, and QA, it's easier to make peace with the fact that you're not going to get max score and just choose to live with less than max and be happy about that. Other squads (like KB squads) don't require such precise modding, but (like Maul+Sidius squads) they're also not as reliable as the three I listed above. If you're already maxing out the first 3 teams and you're feeling negative emotions about playing the raid, make a couple attempts and just settle for something reasonable.

TO SUM UP:
I know that CG has a responsibility to make the game fun and they're failing you, but there are some steps you can take to make things easier, less time consuming, and more focussed on the fun. Since the raid is here for another 5-6 months, putting in a bit of effort here can make a difference in your mental health for a good half year.
I'm not trying to make excuses for CG, but think about doing some of the above. It might be worth it.
- Whatelse73
  Seasoned Veteran
  3 months ago
  One of the issues with "mod loadouts" is that we currently have 275 characters in the game. We only get 200 mod loadout slots. That hasn't changed in years and more than once devs at CG have said, "Wait, it's only 200? We'll take a look at that." Yet, here we are with only 200, STILL.
  And putting in effort is one thing, but the RNG being so expansive that one run you do 200K and the next one you do 1.8 million is just dumb and CG is relying too much on RNG to run their game.
  - Tenebrae-3626
    Seasoned Veteran
    3 months ago
    I generally try to make all my mods as permanent as possible, to cover as many game modes as possible, for the sole reason of not having to spend any more time than I have to. Considering, and I don't even know how many times I have brought this up, we have Raids, TB, GAC, TW, Conquest, JG, UJ, etc., the last thing I need is to worry about mods. The only times I swap and use layouts is for JG events. So that part doesn't bother me, but I can imagine how frustrating it must be for other players.
    As for the second part, about RNG, yeah, 100% agree. It happened to me who knows how many times in the Endor raid, it keeps happening now on Naboo. And for some reason, the current and the last run seemed to be a lot more difficult. I'm slowly improving my score (currently at 4M), but it just seems that recently I've had to restart much more than I used to. For the KB team, I went from G12 to R5, I can understand having to adjust my strategy for that team. But with Maul at R7, for example, I've only been upgrading my mods and getting a bit more speed, I've gotten used to the strategy behind that team, and it's still extremely RNG reliant, especially with that ridiculous bonus turn mechanic.
- Alaafelf
  New Traveler
  3 months ago
  Even with all the recommendations, the QOL is really low for this raid. I appreciate that you are trying to help ppl out, but this raid is just a big mistake from CG in my opinion.
  Got all the squads at R7 or above, apart from 1 team. I could get the last team to R7 too, but that won't give me a higher box, so it is quite useless for me.
  Using HotUtils for my mod loadouts
  Got the Jedi teams
  Gungans I got at R8 (JarJar at R9), this is actually the only battle that never ever causes a problem and is over fairly quickly and doesn't require any restarts
  Using Queen Amidala, MQJ and Padawan Obi Wan at R9
  Other squads I have are Lumi (R7), GMY (R8), Kit (R7), QGJ (R7), Plo (R8). Then Kelleran (R7), KAM (R7), Shaak (R7), Mace (R7), Aayla (R7). And last, B2 (R5), Sidious (R7), Maul (R7), STAP (R5), Magnaguard (R5). I wanted to get all my teams to R8, but because this raid is so extremely annoying, I have decided to not do that anymore.
  
  To sum up:
  This raid makes me want to rage quit the game every time I have to play this raid. It takes really an obnoxious time to do this raid every week (next to GAC, Conquest, TB, TW). The amount of RNG is very frustrating. Skipping it is also not an option, because you need stuff from all these events if you are in the end game.
  I wanted to like this raid and started gearing up early to come prepared when it launched. Been scoring around 11M every time it has been around, but this raid is really not worth the time to destroy my mental health.
  - MasterSeedy
    New Ace
    3 months ago
    Even with all the recommendations, the QOL is really low for this raid. I appreciate that you are trying to help ppl out, but this raid is just a big mistake from CG in my opinion.
    I actually agree. But I also think it's too late to change things here. That's why I created a separate thread for criticisms that will (hopefully) provide CG with some guidelines about how to make raids that better satisfy players. We need to establish minimum standards for every raid, not just criticize specific raids after release, when it's too late to change much.
    Here's that other thread:
    https://forums.ea.com/discussions/swgoh-general-discussion-en/structuring-the-next-raid/4966732
    Only 5 likes so far, but the more it gets, the more likely they are to pay attention.
- BouSomething
  Rising Traveler
  2 months ago
  Dude, you 100% miss the entire point of the OPs complaint. The raid TAKES UP TOO MUCH **bleep** TIME! All you did was add a **bleep** of **bleep** **bleep** that the OP needs to do to get satisfactory results to a **bleep** raid that has horrible RNG and flaky mechanics at best. The raid is a **bleep** joke and your BS answer is 100% defending CG you bootlicker
Lunalae
Seasoned Rookie
3 months ago
I really hate this raid because you have to spend too much time. I need 10.6 Mio. for guild that we get the red box. I'm happy when we get a new raid again. This raid is a reason for me to leave the game - the health and protection regeneration of the B1 is insane.
I'm not sure why CG doesn't change this - perhaps we need a petition for this... it's sad...
ALLSBROS22
New Rookie
3 months ago
I hate this raid, it feels like a really horrible horde mode. The healing, TM gain, and lack of toons to use are what's making me hate it. I get around 10 mill. Just depends if I wanna keep trying to get max points with QA team. My 5th team is a joke and clears two waves then dies. There have been a couple times that I just want to quit the game because of how frustrating my QA teams RNG can get.
I don't like the new raid system. The next raid could be even worse or could be better but CG is going to move the goal posts on us. With going to this raid, putting in money and time just to get less rewards isn't worth it. (My guild is making the same rewards as the last raid now)
theXrono
Seasoned Scout
3 months ago
i think if they jsut removed or modified the stupid bonus turn mechanic it would be decent and less frustrating, also make the boss/leader droid no matter what take the last turn every wave.

- taking the last turn mean you can more reliably have buffs for the jedi team to work
- removing the bonus turn just makes the fights actually fun and you don't get into stupid turn loops with droideka sometimes, or the leader who gets to add like 30 rage before you kill them.
- if not removing the bonus turn, 2 solutions: first the bonus turn only affects the normal B1's, aka droideka, the leader, and STAPs cant gain bonus turns, second the second space ability when used Permently disables the leader bonus from all future waves not perfect but still allows the RNG if CG wanted while giving us control over it
- Tenebrae-3626
  Seasoned Veteran
  3 months ago
  I agree, especially with the opening statement. All the other issues I have are either minor bugs (random opening TM on Gungans, protection disruption being inflicted on Gungans even though they should be immune, or DDDK and the Command Droid not having the correct cooldown on their specials) that make it a bit of a pain but not downright impossible (like a certain early you-know-what bug) to get a good score, or things that only truly become issues when you include the rest of the game (e.g., I don't mind spending 10 minutes on a single battle if the raid is the only thing I have to worry about, I do mind spending 10 minutes on a single battle if I also have to worry about Conquest, TB, GAC, TW, etc.). But that bonus turn mechanic really does get on my nerves. If they had come up with something else, like what you suggested or something like "Enemies cannot gain bonus TM/recover Health and Protection", that would still have been a challenge, but at the same time much more manageable. What we have instead is, enemies who heal (almost) back to full HP+Prot any time they attack, who have ridiculous speeds on the higher tiers (yes, I understand the higher the tier, the harder the enemy, but having unholy speed on an entire team that keeps getting bigger as the battle keeps going is not the only way to create a challenge), AND on top of everything else gain bonus turns every time you take a single turn. I can clear the first wave while the enrage timer is barely at 5%, and before I know what's going on the second wave shows up and they're at 50%.
Lunalae
Seasoned Rookie
3 months ago
This raid is totally **bleep** - I have R8 Maul and Sidious with Nute R7. And ofc I have for all my teams Mod loadout. And I have to restart so many times to get 1.8 Mio. Seriously??? Is that a joke from CG? Maul is one of the heroes for this raid and can't kill a **bleep** B1 with one hit? It's too much wasting time and energy on this game atm. I really hope we get new raid in 1-2 months. Or I have to deinstal the game and sell all my mods that I can never come back.
After 3h of trying I gave up and took 1.6 Mio. for the raid. With R8 Maul and Sidious... That is a joke...
- Miketo28
  New Rookie
  3 months ago
  Thank you. You have summed up my thoughts as well.
rayloc420
New Traveler
3 months ago
I wanted to start liking it, but the modding gets me because of the cap. I made loadouts, but always get "don't have capacity" or whatever. so I have to upgrade a bunch of mods to see if they can be deleted. or I gotta find characters to serve as a mod holder. or once I demod I gotta remod a demodded character as a place holder for other mods. then when I finish I gotta do this process AGAIN, but backwards.
I get annoyed and bored before I even get a chance to battle
pjtqhkzyb0a2
Rising Scout
3 months ago
I cant believe people still attempt to defend this raid the only thing I can say it has going for it that it is new and kinda looks cool with the animations aside from that it is REALLY bad.
- Lunalae
  Seasoned Rookie
  3 months ago
  When you play in a competitive guild you have to play this **bleep** raid because of the rewards...and you have to do it again and again. I never thought that I want the speeder raid back - but this raid is horrible...
- lordzhedd
  Rising Hotshot
  3 months ago
  I guess I could have missed it - but I read through this entire thread and didn't find a single post defending it.
lo2776h717r8
Seasoned Newcomer
3 months ago
You are 100% isolated. The rest of us absolutely love the raid. We await it eagerly every week. It is a masterpiece of gaming mechanics. The various opponents are super interesting. I can’t imagine a better gaming experience.