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CD-JMo's avatar
CD-JMo
6 years ago

New raid structure?

Someone might have suggested this before, sorry if it is a rehashed idea, I haven't seen it yet. I was having a discussion in my guild about someone soloing the Rancor and whether it matters. I was thinking to myself, it's kind of counterintuitive that we have a game mode where we are essentially competing against our own guildmates. It's not the end of the world, but I think there might be a better way.

What if we had a new raid where the awards/prizes increased the more total damage a guild could do over a set period of time? So everyone gives it their all for 2 days or whatever the time is and then prize ranks are based on damage, but the prize tiers also increase as the guild as a whole does more damage. You get better prizes the more damage you do relative to other guildmates, but you also all get better prizes the more damage everyone does. Win-win.

Before you say that is territory battles, it really isn't. TB, you end up deploying a ton of good teams that do no damage and once you complete a mission, you're done, you don't get to hit until your team is defeated.
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  • tward930's avatar
    tward930
    New Spectator
    6 years ago
    There are 173 characters in game right now, that would mean I need to do the same battle 35 times to deliver max damage for max rewards. Nice thinking but no thanks.
  • CD-JMo's avatar
    CD-JMo
    6 years ago
    "Monel;c-1864571" wrote:
    There are 173 characters in game right now, that would mean I need to do the same battle 35 times to deliver max damage for max rewards. Nice thinking but no thanks.


    Ok, limit it to your 10 best teams over 2 days.
  • CD-JMo's avatar
    CD-JMo
    6 years ago
    "Monel;c-1864578" wrote:
    "Citadel_of_Ricks;c-1864576" wrote:
    "Monel;c-1864571" wrote:
    There are 173 characters in game right now, that would mean I need to do the same battle 35 times to deliver max damage for max rewards. Nice thinking but no thanks.


    Ok, limit it to your 10 best teams over 2 days.


    The problem is the battle doesn't change, that's where it gets boring. Plus you never win, ever see Karate Kid 2 that dude was chopping at the same piece of drift wood for over 50 years. I mean that at least had symbolism, you are proposing boredom after fight 3. The game gets stale enough even when there are rounds like GA and TB. But when you just pound the same object even only 10 times and what's the point.

    I like where your head is about not competing against your own guild for rewards but that can be fixed just by balancing the rewards the way they did with raid sims for Rancor.


    You are definitely entitled to your take. I think for me it would be interesting to try to hit new levels personally and as a guild (it's a game, we never really "accomplish" anything), especially if the new levels came with solid rewards. Also, the battle changes as you try different teams and compositions, just like every other part of this game.

    I suspect you play arena with 5 of your 173 7* characters, are you saying that is not akin to hitting "meta driftwood" over and over and doing the same thing every day? Maybe it only happens twice a month or something. Fighting Traya over and over with the same five teams doesn't fit your driftwood metaphor, as well?

    In the proposed version, everyone gets to play, everyone gets rewards based on their guild's overall performance and everyone gets rewards based on their personal performance.
  • joeb8881's avatar
    joeb8881
    New Spectator
    6 years ago
    What would REALLY make the raid great is if they planned on every mechanic to work as intended so we can actually use the roster we build up. Turn meter removal, debuffs, fracture, the whole thing. Less annihilate of course! They could even rework the old school high DPS toons and get newer players to invest in them.. Lando, Wiggs, Leia. Come out with a few new high DPS characters/leads. I'd like to see Saw Gerrera in game.. ?
  • Disruptor92's avatar
    Disruptor92
    Seasoned Rookie
    6 years ago
    Yeah this has been proposed ever since the rancor got released. It's old news. I don't think the devs ever talked about it, so I assume the raid structure will stay the same. But I'd definitely like a change.
  • tward930's avatar
    tward930
    New Spectator
    6 years ago
    "Citadel_of_Ricks;c-1864576" wrote:
    "Monel;c-1864571" wrote:
    There are 173 characters in game right now, that would mean I need to do the same battle 35 times to deliver max damage for max rewards. Nice thinking but no thanks.


    Ok, limit it to your 10 best teams over 2 days.


    The problem is the battle doesn't change, that's where it gets boring. Plus you never win, ever see Karate Kid 2 that dude was chopping at the same piece of drift wood for over 50 years. I mean that at least had symbolism, you are proposing boredom after fight 3. The game gets stale enough even when there are rounds like GA and TB. But when you just pound the same object even only 10 times and what's the point.

    I like where your head is about not competing against your own guild for rewards but that can be fixed just by balancing the rewards the way they did with raid sims for Rancor.
  • hantal86's avatar
    hantal86
    6 years ago
    The reward system does need looking at as the top ten are never being caught by the lower due to better gearing, but I don’t think a non beatable battle is the answer
  • joeb8881's avatar
    joeb8881
    New Spectator
    6 years ago
    I think OP's idea is awesome. DPS is fun. DPS bonuses are fun. We all know that the bottom 50% of your roster wouldn't do any damage anyway, so you could only really hit hard for what.. 5-10 teams with a higher GP? I think character power level requirement would be a good standard, set for around 4/5 stars and gear 7/8.

    Seriously, great idea for a fun raid!
  • tward930's avatar
    tward930
    New Spectator
    6 years ago
    "Malachi;c-1864832" wrote:
    I think OP's idea is awesome. DPS is fun. DPS bonuses are fun. We all know that the bottom 50% of your roster wouldn't do any damage anyway, so you could only really hit hard for what.. 5-10 teams with a higher GP? I think character power level requirement would be a good standard, set for around 4/5 stars and gear 7/8.

    Seriously, great idea for a fun raid!


    But if the goal was to see how much you could hit, you would use the bottom the of your roster everytime to try and improve.
  • tward930's avatar
    tward930
    New Spectator
    6 years ago
    "Citadel_of_Ricks;c-1864595" wrote:
    "Monel;c-1864578" wrote:
    "Citadel_of_Ricks;c-1864576" wrote:
    "Monel;c-1864571" wrote:
    There are 173 characters in game right now, that would mean I need to do the same battle 35 times to deliver max damage for max rewards. Nice thinking but no thanks.


    Ok, limit it to your 10 best teams over 2 days.


    The problem is the battle doesn't change, that's where it gets boring. Plus you never win, ever see Karate Kid 2 that dude was chopping at the same piece of drift wood for over 50 years. I mean that at least had symbolism, you are proposing boredom after fight 3. The game gets stale enough even when there are rounds like GA and TB. But when you just pound the same object even only 10 times and what's the point.

    I like where your head is about not competing against your own guild for rewards but that can be fixed just by balancing the rewards the way they did with raid sims for Rancor.


    You are definitely entitled to your take. I think for me it would be interesting to try to hit new levels personally and as a guild (it's a game, we never really "accomplish" anything), especially if the new levels came with solid rewards. Also, the battle changes as you try different teams and compositions, just like every other part of this game.

    I suspect you play arena with 5 of your 173 7* characters, are you saying that is not akin to hitting "meta driftwood" over and over and doing the same thing every day? Maybe it only happens twice a month or something. Fighting Traya over and over with the same five teams doesn't fit your driftwood metaphor, as well?

    In the proposed version, everyone gets to play, everyone gets rewards based on their guild's overall performance and everyone gets rewards based on their personal performance.


    I do feel arena is meta driftwood and more often than not I only do 2 attacks per day for this very reason. Also I almost never do an attack in raids anymore for the same reason. I mostly play to collect, and hang with my guild.

    Your proposed version of rewards is great, just dont need another beat my head against the wall scenario especially when I literally can never win.

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