Non GL vs GL
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!
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"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243308" wrote:
"DarjeloSalas;c-2243300" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243297" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2243215" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243163" wrote:
"Gifafi;c-2243140" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243132" wrote:
You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.
I can't win. How is that fair?
You can dig yourself out of the hole you’ve dug, it’s not too late. As @TVF said, get your own GL(s). When i started gac I hated it bc I always lost, then I got better about adjusting my roster choices to make gac easier for me, which made matchups easier overall and winning much easier.
Recently I took a bunch of chars to r5 for crancor, and now I’m getting “bad” (aka bad for me due to the decisions I made) matchups and not winning as much.
Now that I have plenty of crancor toons I can go back to being more selective on my choices, which will make gac easier again.
We can complain about gac mm rules, but they are what they are. We can either adjust our behavior or not, just don’t be surprised or upset at the very predictable outcome.
I am getting my own GL, but my opponents keep getting more difficult. I can't catch up.
What you are missing is that you won’t be fighting the same opponents. It’s not like you have 0 GL’s they have 1 then you have 1 they have 2 so you can’t catch up. Once you start focusing your roster you will start becoming more on par with the enemies you fase.
Now, if someone took Ewoks Phoenix and empire to r7, with no gl, it’s going to take much longer to right the ship.
Also, when you go for a gl, horde the gear and do things all at once. Taking kru and Hux to relic while your redboi is 5* (and same goes for relic’ing some while others aren’t ready to relic, like g11) will make gac even harder.
It does not seem that way. I have only seen evidence to the contrary.
But my bigger issue is why we can't have an even playing field regardless of where we are in progression. Fairness is the ideal after all.
There is an even playing field. People are matched based on how they’ve allocated an equivalent amount of resources.
That’s the very definition of fair.
How is not being able to win fair?
You just want to continue enjoying unfair competition from the other side. More power to you. I'm done wasting my time with this game.
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"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243312" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2243307" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243283" wrote:
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I can't win. That's not fair.
Unfortunately, you cannot win due to your own choices, and that has nothing to do with fair.
- each player is subject to the same rules - That is what makes it fair.
- each player has to play with the roster they have built and the choices they have made - none of those choices force anyone into a sub category to limit who they may or may not face - that is also fair.
- Players have gone through great lengths to build rosters that help them excel at GACs, and some even to the detriment of play in other areas - Changes to this now would not be fair to them.
If GAC is a mode you would like to do better in, your best bet is to make changes within your control. There are many great suggestions in this thread on how you can improve your roster. It is unlikely they will make this change, and if they did decide to make this change, it is unlikely to be any time soon, so you should stick with what is in your control (your roster).
This is the closest anyone has come because you responded in earnest, but no I'm still not wrong.
I have corrected my choices, and the problem has only gotten worse. Why not restructure the divisions so people who invest in GAC characters play each other? Why not scale down rewards for those who don't want to engage in farming those characters but still want to compete in some capacity? I'll even take zero rewards! I don't see how that would be unfair for the players who have invested in GAC. They would be with their own kind. I have no business competing with them.
Would it be so bad if everyone had a fair shot? Tell me why that's fundamentally bad.
You have a few posts that are in somewhat absolute terms, and others have posted evidence that can contradict that, so in some ways you are incorrect in the general sense.
Nothing in this game is on the micro timescale, everyone is given a fair shot, as you can always correct, make changes, and improve your situation. Why changes like this can be seen as fundamentally bad: 1 -- Players have gone through great lengths to build rosters that help them excel at GACs, and some even to the detriment of play in other areas - Changes to this now would not be fair to them.
2- changes like this are drastic in the short term to reward players who have not or do not work thought the long term process. this is fundamentally bad for a game built on the long game.
as to your other points:
- they will never reward players for not moving forward, engaging in content, and generally speaking trying to not "build their way out of it" (I know you are not asking for rewards, but I think you can see what I mean)
- the idea is that they take all players with X investment and have them face players in the same group - that is fair, and allows a players choices to shine through. that doesnt' mean you need GLs, but when building a roster, each decision has many points to be weighed on, and if GAC is important to you, then you need to make choices accordingly.
Choices have weight, and some of that comes from game modes like GAC, they are not likely to make changes that would reduce the value/weight of a decision. They want choices to feel important and impactful. Players who have gone down the path of a GL had a fair amount of fluff they had to add to get there, some faced hard times due to how they did it or the choices they made along the way. We have all been there but if you stick with a good plan you can get through that, even if it feels worse a few times along the way.- Good luck Kyno
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243348" wrote:
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"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243340" wrote:
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"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243324" wrote:
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"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243169" wrote:
"ImaSmakya;c-2243168" wrote:
I went back through my GAC history to before I had a GL to find a few rounds from one season where I was matched up against GL's. One required 2 battles, but I still won the round so yes, I'm confused. Do I win every time I'm matched against a GL? No, but I definitely win more than I lose.
A few rounds from one season? You cherry picked.
They proved you wrong. In case you forgot what you claimed here's your OP:"Kyp_Durron88;d-243101" wrote:
I have been playing this game from the beginning. Why. WHY are you pairing non GL rosters with GL rosters in GAC. It is impossible! I'm raging and proud of it because I'm right. Come at me you cowards! WHY?!
No, you're not right. You're wrong. You're also wrong when you claim that you can't catch up. You can always stop making choices that hurt your match-up and slowly improve your roster and your performance in GAC. It will take time. The deeper you dug your hole the longer time it will take to climb back up. However, it's doable. Keep digging or start climbing back up - it's your choice.
Incorrect. Nobody proved me wrong, and just saying I'm wrong with nothing to back it up does nothing.
Check the quoted comments. You've been wrong from your very first post. @ImaSmakya was kind enough to provide the evidence. Denying it makes you look silly.
I have read every comment and I have not been proven wrong. I have refuted every attempt to do this.
Disagreeing with my first post comes down to opinion. You can call something evidence or say my opinions are wrong, but that's just you.
You think it's silly to speak up for what you believe?
ImaSmakya provided hard, irrefutable evidence that you are wrong. You were wrong before and you still are.
Prove it.
Sigh, this is both pointless and exhausting.
Enjoy your future GAC success.
I really have no idea what you are talking about with the hard irrefutable evidence thing. It's not there. I'm nice enough to hear you out. Ive been very patient with you all, but you cannot tell me my opinion is wrong. I respect yours though. All in the phrasing.- https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-26-2016/L6Jxtz.gif
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243399" wrote:
"DarjeloSalas;c-2243395" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243392" wrote:
"Legend91;c-2243389" wrote:
I don't see anyone say "no it's perfect". I just read a lot of posts saying the matchmaking is what it is and you have the control over what chars you want to develop. So if you want to be more successful in GAC start improving your roster accordingly - and that means getting meta chars and GL's and not relic 7 a Stormtrooper Han or zeta a Farmboy Luke.
If nobody is saying "its perfect." Then why the backlash against "it could be better?" Also, don't tell me what to do with my roster. Your opinion is as good as mine.
There’s no backlash against “it could be better”, because what you’re suggesting is worse.
Why is it worse? Since you know.
Because part of the reason to get a GL is to gain a strategic advantage over potential opponents with poor roster choices.
You usually don't try to get the PvP meta with the intent to get harder matches in GAC (see only GLs vs GLs as you suggest)."Kyp_Durron88;c-2243410" wrote:
I cannot be proven wrong. Nobody can. Go ahead. Try to prove a negative. The only reason I'm still on here is because we're finishing out a TW, which are much more fun than gac, I might add.
Yup, you're right. No one can prove you wrong, you win.
Gratz."DarjeloSalas;c-2243413" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243399" wrote:
"DarjeloSalas;c-2243395" wrote:
"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243392" wrote:
"Legend91;c-2243389" wrote:
I don't see anyone say "no it's perfect". I just read a lot of posts saying the matchmaking is what it is and you have the control over what chars you want to develop. So if you want to be more successful in GAC start improving your roster accordingly - and that means getting meta chars and GL's and not relic 7 a Stormtrooper Han or zeta a Farmboy Luke.
If nobody is saying "its perfect." Then why the backlash against "it could be better?" Also, don't tell me what to do with my roster. Your opinion is as good as mine.
There’s no backlash against “it could be better”, because what you’re suggesting is worse.
Why is it worse? Since you know.
This has been explained in this thread more than once.
Right now people are matched based on criteria that they are in control of: how they choose to utilise equivalent resources. This is fair - no matter how many times you state the contrary.
What you are proposing would have 2 negative impacts:
- it would, to some extent, incentivise people to not farm for and unlock a GL. If the reward for unlocking a GL is to instantly be plunged into a world where you only ever meet other GL owners, some users might decide not to bother.
- it would increase the chances of lopsided matches. The minute matchmaking focuses on a binary “GL v no GL” check as the primary criteria, the more likely it is that people who have allocated a different amount of resources get matched.
You dismissed this earlier as “ad hominem”, but anyone proposing a change to an existing system really should address hypothetical situations that their adjustment would create. So, have another go...
- imagine someone with your current roster reliced another 40 characters without unlocking a GL. There is no one with an even partially similar roster without a GL. Who do you match them with?
- imagine someone new to the game with laser focus, who defies the odds and unlocks their first GL without any other relic characters other than the requirements. Is it “fair” to match them with other 1 GL owners who have much more rounded rosters?
You’re basing your entire stance on GLs being an insurmountable win condition between the haves and have nots. This is not the reality.
Han: Let him have it. It’s not wise to upset a Wookiee.
C-3PO: But sir. Nobody worries about upsetting a droid.
Han: That’s cause a droid don’t pull people’s arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that.
C-3PO: I see your point, sir. I suggest a new strategy, R2. Let the Wookiee win.
