Non GL vs GL

Who could have guessed that the newest best toons that were released around the time of EP 9 release would require FO and Resistance?

"DarjeloSalas;c-2242892" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242778" wrote:
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.

You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.

Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.

Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.

But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?

It wouldn't be reasonable to complain about not getting top hoth rewards because the way to get there is clear and intuitively obvious. It's just a progression. GAC is different. It is not fair from a competitive standpoint. I've been saying it all along. I can't win. How is that fair?

Rosters without GL should be paired with similar GP. It's simple. I could have every character reliced, but if the opponent has one GL, I lose.

If I choose to relic subpar characters then I accept that the match would be an uphill battle against an opponent who has only reliced vader, grievous, jkl, etc, but the power discrepancy isn't so bad in that case. I could reasonably make up for it by being creative and micromanaging. GLs are on a completely different level.

There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.

"Legend91;c-2242928" wrote:
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.

"Nikoms565;c-2242939" wrote:
You absolutely can play how you want - just realize that that comes with the trade off of hurting you in certain areas of the game.

Don't want to develop Geos? That's fine - but you won't be much help in the Wat mission for your guild. The same with clones and the Kam mission.

Many good characters require you to build up factions to acquire them. That's part of the game - always has been. The journey guide is exactly that.

You can farm, gear and relic whoever you want - just realize that there are consequences. And yes, having consequences based on your choices is fair. That's not only true in this game, but IRL too.

I understand all this, but it is different in GAC. I should not be going up against these opponents because I can't win, and there is no way to break out of this. They get stronger as I get stronger, and the power discrepancy does not narrow.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243017" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2242892" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242778" wrote:
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.

You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.

Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.

Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.

But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?

There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.

And that doesn't make your point any more valid. Obviously the people who made equally wrong choices are going to side with the argument that favors them.

The TB comparison has a fair point. If you want Wat shards, you gear Geos even if your preferred pet project at the moment would be Rogue one. Similarly, GLs are the PvP meta, if you want to do well in a PvP game mode, you take KRU to r7 (and the other requirements), not STH.

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243019" wrote:

"Legend91;c-2242928" wrote:
It was a valid point way back then when GL's were introduced (especially for 3v3 and before Vader got his touch up and JKL was introduced). There's been enough time now for people to prepare. We know that the GAC algorithm is looking at the top 66 (3v3) / 80 (5v5) GP chars in div 1 (and fleets to some extent but details are unknown) so everyone should know that increasing the GP of that chars is going to affect matchmaking and result in getting matched with tougher opponents.

Yes, I agree with this. I'm just saying altering the affect on GP for certain characters wouldn't be a bad thing. I would still be going for GLs just like everyone else. I just think that I should be matched with an opponent who is truly at the same level. I can't win. That's not fair.

The GP cost for SLKR. Without him, half of these would not have been farmed much less powered up and the other half would ve a C-squad likely below my matchmaking GP threshold by this point.

"RandomSithLord;c-2243023" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243017" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2242892" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242778" wrote:
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.

You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.

Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.

Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.

But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?

There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.

And that doesn't make your point any more valid. Obviously the people who made equally wrong choices are going to side with the argument that favors them.

The TB comparison has a fair point. If you want Wat shards, you gear Geos even if your preferred pet project at the moment would be Rogue one. Similarly, GLs are the PvP meta, if you want to do well in a PvP game mode, you take KRU to r7 (and the other requirements), not STH.

No, the TB comparison is not fair. There is a way out of that. You progress and get better. In GAC, from where I'm at, we get better at the same rate. I just brought malak to relic and now I'm seeing opponents with 3 GLs. I can't win now and I won't win down the road. The effect on GP isn't explicitly stated in game, so I can't be expected to know about that. I'm sure they will do something about this as they release more content.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2243040" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243017" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2242892" wrote:

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2242778" wrote:
Yeah that's me. If you're right I won't deny it. How am I to blame? I was being paired with GL opponents when I didn't have DR, Malak, Watt, GAS, etc. That's insane. It stands to reason that GL rosters should not be paired with non GL rosters. I get that my GP is inflated, but they can change the algorithm. I shouldn't be punished for moving the ball forward on characters I want to use.

You're making it sound like having loads of r7 toons is a bad thing. I worked hard for those. And besides, whether r5 or r8, GLs swat them all away like they are nothing.

Having loads of r5+ is a bad thing if the result of that is you getting smashed in GAC all the time. And you’re to blame because you’ve chosen to take STH to r7, Boba Fett to r5 for example. They are contributing nothing of note to your roster for other game modes and are not an effective use of resources when it comes to GAC.

Developing a roster for certain game modes is not a new thing. Before SLKR, if people wanted to excel in HSTR they needed certain teams (resistance, JKR led Jedi and Shaak Clones, for example). If people developed a roster that didn’t have those teams, was it reasonable for them to complain that they could never bag top rewards in a raid that pretty much required them? Same goes for TB. Back in the Hoth days, we needed to develop our IT, BH, Rogue 1 and Phoenix to get the best possible rewards. Again, if people chose not to develop those teams, could they complain that they weren’t performing at the top level? GAC is another game mode that “requires” a particular focus on roster development. Plow your own furrow at your peril.

But let’s take your request for the algorithm to stop matching GL owners with non GL owners to its logical conclusion. Who would it be fair for you to be matched with? I don’t have any way of checking this, but I’d imagine people with 40 r5+ toons and no GL are pretty thin on the ground and their number will only decrease as time progresses. What happens if you take another 20 toons to r5 or higher and still don’t unlock a GL? Should you continue to be matched with non GL owners? Even if their roster is completely over powered by yours?

Rosters without GL should be paired with similar GP. It's simple. I could have every character reliced, but if the opponent has one GL, I lose.

1) but what if you continue relicing characters that don’t unlock GLs? Eventually there could be nobody with equivalent GP to you who doesn’t own a GL. Who are you matched with then?

2) now you’re being obtuse. If you genuinely relic every character but don’t have a GL, you’d need to be a tactical disaster area to automatically lose to someone who has 1 GL.

If I choose to relic subpar characters then I accept that the match would be an uphill battle against an opponent who has only reliced vader, grievous, jkl, etc, but the power discrepancy isn't so bad in that case. I could reasonably make up for it by being creative and micromanaging. GLs are on a completely different level.

So you accept that roster building decisions can make your life more difficult if you make poor ones?

There are plenty of people who already agree with me. I don't need any of you to validate my argument, nor can anybody tell me I am wrong.

But there are obviously plenty who disagree with you.

The bit I don’t understand is that you are clearly intelligent, given the well structured nature of your responses, but you have failed to react to the situation. You know how matchmaking works, you know that relicing characters that don’t make progress towards unlocking a GL gives you increasingly tougher matchups, but you don’t seem to be keen to do anything about improving the situation.

1. I'm not against getting GLs. I'm working on JML now. I understand what I need to do, so I'm doing it. My problem is that once I get a GL, my opponents will have that much more.

2. Ad hominem

"Kyp_Durron88;c-2243068" wrote:
The effect on GP isn't explicitly stated in game, so I can't be expected to know about that. I'm sure they will do something about this as they release more content.

1) It's not super easy to find and maybe not as explicit as you want, but it does tell you this in game
2) Nope

You're only saying that because you don't want it to be fair. I don't blame you, but is that really the best you got? In any case, matchmaking is objectively not fair, and just stating I'm wrong gets you nowhere.

I can't win. How is that fair?