R8 Crafting Discrepancy

They said in the Q&A they couldn't add Mk 12 ArmaTek Tactical Data because of technical limitations with the scavenger

But those limitations were somehow solved when they wanted to add Impulse Detector and, they again, chose to not add Tactical Data on it when they had the opportunity

@Gifafi

Permit me to translate:

Sure, I can get from r7 to r8 any of a number of ways, but the most efficient possible path to r8 is barred by the rules governing the Cantina Scavenger.

Gosh, this is really horrible when I only have 6 different things I can salvage for r8 mats!

Yep. Sounds like #FirstWhaleProblems to me.

Its not a whale problem since every player, regardless of spending level, ends up accumulating a lot of ArmaTek Tactical Data since they are hardly used compared to other g12 gear

"MasterSeedy;c-2211671" wrote:
@Gifafi

Permit me to translate:

Sure, I can get from r7 to r8 any of a number of ways, but the most efficient possible path to r8 is barred by the rules governing the Cantina Scavenger.

Gosh, this is really horrible when I only have 6 different things I can salvage for r8 mats!

Yep. Sounds like #FirstWhaleProblems to me.

Whales wouldn't care if they only had 6 things to salvage since they can buy the mat or the 6 things needed, ftp would care more about having less salvage options since they can't just purchase what they need, but rather use up what they have

Its not a whale problem since every player, regardless of spending level, ends up accumulating a lot of ArmaTek Tactical Data since they are hardly used compared to other g12 gear

It's a whale problem since only a very, very few non-whale accounts are in a position where their guild has already completed enough RCT raids to be worried about r8.

The vast majority of people are not worried right now about which gear to salvage for r8 mats. Someday that will be a problem any persistent player - even FtP folks - will have to face. Just like someday there will be clean water everywhere in Africa & people will so take clean water for granted that instead of worrying about walking 30 minutes each way to a good well the can sit around and talk about which electric helicopters get the best range on a single charge. Saying that electrical helicopter range is a first world problem isn't to say that no one in Africa is worried about transportation or no one in Africa could use a dependable helicopter. What we're saying is that they're not at the point of worrying about that yet.

Likewise, the number of non-whales who are going to need to worry about which r8 mats to buy with which gear is very different this week than it will be 20 months from now.

Right now? This is #FirstWhaleProblems.

I'm not misunderstanding the inability to cash in Armatek Tactical pieces. You're misunderstanding where the actual players of this game actually are, on average, in the process of gaining r8 toons.

A lot of FTP players have enough r8 materials from raids and have a couple of r7 toons already

"DarjeloSalas;c-2211663" wrote:
Yes, that “answer” they gave in the Q&A ranks pretty high up on the ladder of dissatisfactory answers the devs have ever given.

It’s perfectly obvious why they haven’t included that gear piece as a salvage option.

"technical limitations" and "exclusive" have drastically different meanings in the CG world...just like adding Kryo's eased the gear crunch...

If you are casual FTP, obviously you aren't included, but if you are a daily player, then you should be in a rancor clearing guild as long as you are 3~4 years+ playing this game

I'm a daily player in a 285M gp guild. I've been playing more than 4 years. We're not clearing RCT. Haven't done it even once yet.

And "260m gp guilds can clear it" is misleading. 100M GP guilds can clear it if you have 15 players with 6Mgp+ and exactly the right toons relic'd with 35 alt accounts of 100k gp each.

Guild GP doesn't clear RCT, specific toons do. So the question remains, how common is it that FtP folks are in a guild that has cleared rancor enough times that the only thing stopping them from getting their first/next r8 is the inability to salvage Armatek Tactical data?

You still haven't presented any numbers on how common that is. Until you do, you're badly missing the point of the earlier commenter. I said it before & I'll say it again:

I'm not misunderstanding the inability to cash in Armatek Tactical pieces. You're misunderstanding where the actual players of this game actually are, on average, in the process of gaining r8 toons.

184 pieces.

That's 2 toons worth of very common 12.3 gear.

This is what I don't understand. Put Tactical Data in. People would have enough to burn for 2-3 toons, max.

Thats a "first taste is free" mechanic that these types of gacha games are built around.

Also, if we get fully crafted multitools or medpacs, those can't be turned into these things. But, only 2-3 drop components-wise.

The day Relic 8 becomes required for any character (next set of GL), that's my last day in this game.

My hope for R8 was that it would be a separate gate. What I was 100% hoping it wouldn't be was what we got - just more and higher materials / signal data. We're already crunching for circuit boards. Now they want us to give up right side G12 on 2 supporting toons. That's a step beyond "resource management."

"Ultra;c-2211771" wrote:

"mariogsh;c-2211759" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2211681" wrote:
A lot of FTP players have enough r8 materials from raids and have a couple of r7 toons already

Define "A lot"

260 million GP guilds can clear it, and you can be FTP and in a 260 million or up guild easily

If you are casual FTP, obviously you aren't included, but if you are a daily player, then you should be in a rancor clearing guild as long as you are 3~4 years+ playing this game

260 million GP guild can´t clear it! I am part of one without whales and it is almost impossible to get through first phase... Even when we meet other criterias mentioned (daily players, playing for more then 4 years).

The gear crunch in R8 will be the crafted materials,yes we can all say that right now we don't need r8 characters,but we will in the near future and if we don't address this issue(the cost of going to r8)it will never be addressed,they will just say it has been like this from the start.
This is me,i am F2P but i am in a good guild(320m),i have enough raid materials that i can take 2 chars to r8,but to take one i need 184 g12 salvage for the new pieces,then add on top of that 20 Zinbiddle cards which are hard to get as it is(that is 100 g12+ salvage),and the rest of the gear.Now that is just for 1 toon that is at r7 already,think of the next GL or a big character release that will require like 2-3 characters to r8.
I hope someone from CG thinks this through, and realize that the cost is too steep,and the minimum thing they can do add the Tactical Data salvage and the Full Pieces to the scavenger.
Also just food for thought,if we are ok with this imagine what the requirements will be for r9.