So I did the math on the old system vs. the new. For the record I am in a 500 million gp guild. These numbers are per month, based on 10 Rancor, 8 Tank, 6 Sith, and 5 Cpit per month. With an average of 5th-10th place for Sith and Cpit. New raid numbers are based on 130 million guild crate, and 4.5 million personal crate. I undervalued the old gear boxes since finding data on those is sketchy. Old rewards 18.7 million credits1.4 million ship credits35 aeromagnifiers 1836 carbanti level gear42 kyrosAnd all gear in boxes (240 carbanti level and 110 fusion furnace level based on very low numbers)New rewards38.5 aeromagnifiers (mk3 currency)632 fusion furnace or equivalent (mk2 currency)3852 carbanti level gear (mk1 currency)So the long story short, is for this situation:Mk1 currency is slightly better rewardsMk2 currency is about the same Mk3 currency is about the sameBut, if you make less than those crates, which a lot of guilds will, it is not a good value. Anything less than 130 million guild crate deletes the aeromagnifier level mk3 tokens. So any guild that could do cpit, but does not get the above rewards is suffering. Hopefully we will see a change

Thanks for this. I think another challenge is that the raid (surprise surprise) is tuned way too hard. If I have a relic7 team, but I choose a relic3 level difficulty, there's no reason I shouldn't be capping out. A lot of these characters do terrible damage and not enough of them have a way to lower defiance stacks.I'm sure videos and strategy will come out eventually, but the time/effort v reward should be address. In the old system, I'd sign up for the raids, 3 would be simmed, and zergcor (2nd dumbest event in the game), would be done fairly easily (450mil gp guild). And it was fine to just sign up and collect loot on 3/4 raids.Now, every member has to contribute. And while that's totally fine, there should be a point where level and gear trivialize content. I have yet to see that in this raid.

What about the credits and ship credits?Not to mention - if most of your guild doesn't have Jabba you are getting shafted compared to the old rewards.This basically railroads everyone into farming Jabba.

You are forgetting guild currency which is a significant loss. Also the shards that helped feed the shard shop. Losing 18 Million credits per month is brutal. Especially when you are working on mods.

And mods slicing mats from Sith raids missing. Probably gear is not so critical like credits, mods and GETs.And not everyone did cpit. But if you compare new Sith vs old Pit-Tank-Siths - last one is much more profitable. Especially for those who was in top 10 siths raid.

"CorranHorn80;d-263330" wrote:So I did the math on the old system vs. the new. For the record I am in a 500 million gp guild. These numbers are per month, based on 10 Rancor, 8 Tank, 6 Sith, and 5 Cpit per month. With an average of 5th-10th place for Sith and Cpit. New raid numbers are based on 130 million guild crate, and 4.5 million personal crate. I undervalued the old gear boxes since finding data on those is sketchy. Old rewards 18.7 million credits1.4 million ship credits35 aeromagnifiers 1836 carbanti level gear42 kyrosAnd all gear in boxes (240 carbanti level and 110 fusion furnace level based on very low numbers)New rewards38.5 aeromagnifiers (mk3 currency)632 fusion furnace or equivalent (mk2 currency)3852 carbanti level gear (mk1 currency)So the long story short, is for this situation:Mk1 currency is slightly better rewardsMk2 currency is about the same Mk3 currency is about the sameBut, if you make less than those crates, which a lot of guilds will, it is not a good value. Anything less than 130 million guild crate deletes the aeromagnifier level mk3 tokens. So any guild that could do cpit, but does not get the above rewards is suffering. Hopefully we will see a changeIf there are 50 members in a guild, why is the average 5th-10th place?

Raid rewards comparison with data

OmegaIV_HSP
New Spectator
2 years ago
Thanks for this.

I think another challenge is that the raid (surprise surprise) is tuned way too hard.

If I have a relic7 team, but I choose a relic3 level difficulty, there's no reason I shouldn't be capping out. A lot of these characters do terrible damage and not enough of them have a way to lower defiance stacks.

I'm sure videos and strategy will come out eventually, but the time/effort v reward should be address. In the old system, I'd sign up for the raids, 3 would be simmed, and zergcor (2nd dumbest event in the game), would be done fairly easily (450mil gp guild). And it was fine to just sign up and collect loot on 3/4 raids.

Now, every member has to contribute. And while that's totally fine, there should be a point where level and gear trivialize content. I have yet to see that in this raid.
McPubeSack
New Spectator
2 years ago
What about the credits and ship credits?

Not to mention - if most of your guild doesn't have Jabba you are getting shafted compared to the old rewards.

This basically railroads everyone into farming Jabba.
RobreLawin
2 years ago
You are forgetting guild currency which is a significant loss. Also the shards that helped feed the shard shop. Losing 18 Million credits per month is brutal. Especially when you are working on mods.
DeusArts
New Novice
2 years ago
And mods slicing mats from Sith raids missing. Probably gear is not so critical like credits, mods and GETs.

And not everyone did cpit. But if you compare new Sith vs old Pit-Tank-Siths - last one is much more profitable. Especially for those who was in top 10 siths raid.
LynxVJ
New Spectator
2 years ago
"CorranHorn80;d-263330" wrote:
So I did the math on the old system vs. the new. For the record I am in a 500 million gp guild.

These numbers are per month, based on 10 Rancor, 8 Tank, 6 Sith, and 5 Cpit per month. With an average of 5th-10th place for Sith and Cpit.

New raid numbers are based on 130 million guild crate, and 4.5 million personal crate.

I undervalued the old gear boxes since finding data on those is sketchy.

Old rewards
18.7 million credits
1.4 million ship credits
35 aeromagnifiers
1836 carbanti level gear
42 kyros
And all gear in boxes (240 carbanti level and 110 fusion furnace level based on very low numbers)

New rewards
38.5 aeromagnifiers (mk3 currency)
632 fusion furnace or equivalent (mk2 currency)
3852 carbanti level gear (mk1 currency)

So the long story short, is for this situation:

Mk1 currency is slightly better rewards
Mk2 currency is about the same
Mk3 currency is about the same

But, if you make less than those crates, which a lot of guilds will, it is not a good value. Anything less than 130 million guild crate deletes the aeromagnifier level mk3 tokens.

So any guild that could do cpit, but does not get the above rewards is suffering.

Hopefully we will see a change

If there are 50 members in a guild, why is the average 5th-10th place?
Gawejn1000
2 years ago
This is not really correct. We were doing more raids than 10 pit, it was 12. Max was 15. And not including gear from boxes plus get 1 and get 2, mods materials and full pieces makes this data not real.
Mmmurash
2 years ago
We should understand that for 400mln (for example, no numbers are counted) the distance to 130mln crate may be months, for lower ones - maybe years... Many-many 300mln+ guilds have 2-3-4-5 Jabbas only atm, and FAR-FAR-FAR away from other squads required. So let's not measure elite guilds with rest of them)
ScoundrelRui
New Novice
2 years ago
I'm in a 330mil guild and we could clear CPit easily, this is a major drop in rewards for us
notthatguybefor
2 years ago
"CorranHorn80;d-263330" wrote:
So I did the math on the old system vs. the new. For the record I am in a 500 million gp guild.

These numbers are per month, based on 10 Rancor, 8 Tank, 6 Sith, and 5 Cpit per month. With an average of 5th-10th place for Sith and Cpit.

New raid numbers are based on 130 million guild crate, and 4.5 million personal crate.

I undervalued the old gear boxes since finding data on those is sketchy.

Old rewards
18.7 million credits
1.4 million ship credits
35 aeromagnifiers
1836 carbanti level gear
42 kyros
And all gear in boxes (240 carbanti level and 110 fusion furnace level based on very low numbers)

New rewards
38.5 aeromagnifiers (mk3 currency)
632 fusion furnace or equivalent (mk2 currency)
3852 carbanti level gear (mk1 currency)

So the long story short, is for this situation:

Mk1 currency is slightly better rewards
Mk2 currency is about the same
Mk3 currency is about the same

But, if you make less than those crates, which a lot of guilds will, it is not a good value. Anything less than 130 million guild crate deletes the aeromagnifier level mk3 tokens.

So any guild that could do cpit, but does not get the above rewards is suffering.

Hopefully we will see a change

Nice to see people putting in the time to do their own comparisons, thanks @CorranHorn80 .

One thing that bears adding to this though for some context is that the OP is in a 500M+ guild. From the scoreboards there's only 54 guilds at this level, so this would seem to suggest that most people outside of the top 54 guilds (and the next 146 are above 460m GP) are being railroaded by the reward changes.
M0st1yHarm1ess
New Spectator
2 years ago
"BubbaFett;c-2420447" wrote:
"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420445" wrote:
this is not getting nearly enough traction. as a ~5m gp player in a ~400m gp guild - i estimate going from ~28 aeros/month to ZERO.
that's just aeros. not considering anything else. i don't need to look at anything else.
this is a huge kick in the teeth and completely unacceptable.

I'm not sure why so many folks are concerned about aeros... You can get them from Conquest as well and many of us have a stockpile of them..

True. I'm sitting on 360 aeros and cPit never even really got much attention from me. That's 18 R8's. If I were to actually do 18 R8's, the zinbiddles would be the bottleneck.