Raid rewards comparison with data
So I did the math on the old system vs. the new. For the record I am in a 500 million gp guild. These numbers are per month, based on 10 Rancor, 8 Tank, 6 Sith, and 5 Cpit per month. With an avera...
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"herd_nerfer;c-2420535" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420527" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420524" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420518" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420512" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420510" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420502" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420499" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420479" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420452" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420447" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420445" wrote:
this is not getting nearly enough traction. as a ~5m gp player in a ~400m gp guild - i estimate going from ~28 aeros/month to ZERO.
that's just aeros. not considering anything else. i don't need to look at anything else.
this is a huge kick in the teeth and completely unacceptable.
I'm not sure why so many folks are concerned about aeros... You can get them from Conquest as well and many of us have a stockpile of them..
i have only been playing for 13 months. my account is 5m gp. my "stockpile" is 137 aeros, which will be gone in no time due to no longer adding any to it through raids. i would estimate a far greater # of players are in my position than yours.
Oh my gosh poor you! Only 137 aeros! I am at 6 mil and have earned all my aeros through conquest. And am doing just fine. I am glad crancor is gone, so maybe you won’t take them for granted in the future
I was getting my aeros from CPit. You're getting yours from conquest. You think it's no big deal that I've had my CPit source pulled out from under me. By this reasoning, I should assume that you'd be completely fine with a conquest system overhaul tomorrow that stripped you of your ability to earn aeros?
In your scenario, you still have access to conquest and a source of Aeros.
First, that's not the point at all. The point is I worked to build a roster and complete an event for rewards. I've had that taken away. So has every other player in the game who worked towards it and achieved it.
Second, how many players/guilds were capable of completing CPit but not capable of completing conquest to a high enough degree to get the aeros in there? This change hurts every single one of them, which I'm guessing is a lot.
The entire point of a game like this is to build, grow, and achieve milestones. The milestones we've worked hard to achieve should not be stripped away from us. It doesn't matter what that milestone is. Once it's been achieved, and its rewards earned, that it's. Achievement complete, move on to something bigger and better. Aeros, signal data, kyros - whatever. Just imagine any single resource in the game that you need - and that you've spent time, resources, and possibly even $ to achieve - only to have it taken away and told "rebuild something different to earn that thing today that you already built for and earned yesterday."
That's the crux of what has happened here - and it's not ok. And if you cannot grasp that then this conversation is pointless.
This pretty much sums it up....
Sure, but on this particular resource, people have already gone without them at your GP and have done just fine. And honestly, if some of these players can’t get Aeros in conquest, how much are those players even contributing to the Crancor wins? That being said, I agree that their should be easier access to aeros for ALL players
Isn't that the point of guilds? And how players grow? The "top half" of the guild pitches in more, because they're able - and the "bottom half" reaps the rewards. It's how young accounts are brought up. Along with the whole transfer of knowledge from the mature accounts to the young.
That guild coop is critical to the nature of guilds themselves. I thought you mentioned something previously about your distaste for people "guild hopping" to achieve higher rewards, but rather preferred sticking with a guild and helping it grow. So I'm not sure why you wouldn't have this mentality of helping the smaller accounts already baked in to your thinking..."NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420524" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420518" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420512" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420510" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420502" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420499" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420479" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420452" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420447" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420445" wrote:
this is not getting nearly enough traction. as a ~5m gp player in a ~400m gp guild - i estimate going from ~28 aeros/month to ZERO.
that's just aeros. not considering anything else. i don't need to look at anything else.
this is a huge kick in the teeth and completely unacceptable.
I'm not sure why so many folks are concerned about aeros... You can get them from Conquest as well and many of us have a stockpile of them..
i have only been playing for 13 months. my account is 5m gp. my "stockpile" is 137 aeros, which will be gone in no time due to no longer adding any to it through raids. i would estimate a far greater # of players are in my position than yours.
Oh my gosh poor you! Only 137 aeros! I am at 6 mil and have earned all my aeros through conquest. And am doing just fine. I am glad crancor is gone, so maybe you won’t take them for granted in the future
I was getting my aeros from CPit. You're getting yours from conquest. You think it's no big deal that I've had my CPit source pulled out from under me. By this reasoning, I should assume that you'd be completely fine with a conquest system overhaul tomorrow that stripped you of your ability to earn aeros?
In your scenario, you still have access to conquest and a source of Aeros.
First, that's not the point at all. The point is I worked to build a roster and complete an event for rewards. I've had that taken away. So has every other player in the game who worked towards it and achieved it.
Second, how many players/guilds were capable of completing CPit but not capable of completing conquest to a high enough degree to get the aeros in there? This change hurts every single one of them, which I'm guessing is a lot.
The entire point of a game like this is to build, grow, and achieve milestones. The milestones we've worked hard to achieve should not be stripped away from us. It doesn't matter what that milestone is. Once it's been achieved, and its rewards earned, that it's. Achievement complete, move on to something bigger and better. Aeros, signal data, kyros - whatever. Just imagine any single resource in the game that you need - and that you've spent time, resources, and possibly even $ to achieve - only to have it taken away and told "rebuild something different to earn that thing today that you already built for and earned yesterday."
That's the crux of what has happened here - and it's not ok. And if you cannot grasp that then this conversation is pointless.
This pretty much sums it up....
Sure, but on this particular resource, people have already gone without them at your GP and have done just fine. And honestly, if some of these players can’t get Aeros in conquest, how much are those players even contributing to the Crancor wins? That being said, I agree that their should be easier access to aeros for ALL players
Isn't that the point of guilds? And how players grow? The "top half" of the guild pitches in more, because they're able - and the "bottom half" reaps the rewards. It's how young accounts are brought up. Along with the whole transfer of knowledge from the mature accounts to the young.
That guild coop is critical to the nature of guilds themselves. I thought you mentioned something previously about your distaste for people "guild hopping" to achieve higher rewards, but rather preferred sticking with a guild and helping it grow. So I'm not sure why you wouldn't have this mentality of helping the smaller accounts already baked in to your thinking...
I just don’t think players in 5-6 mil range should feel entitled to Aeros or complain about only having 137 of them. When a lot of other guilds and players have gone with a much more limited fund. Now you can scrap for them like the rest of us. My distaste is for the medium players that bail decent guilds, not quite crancor ready, in order to mooch off higher end players.
I mean that's always been a problem - but that's more about the players than the game I think.
Also, I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but you can't scrap anything for Aeros.
Know what? It's not entitlement - me and 49 other people in my guild put in a lot of work for those Aeros. We were once the folks that were buying Aeros from weekly shipments or packs because we couldn't beat CPit. I had to buy Aeros to get GK to R8 so I could unlock JMK (in no small part to help in the CPit raid - so I wouldn't have to keep buying Aeros). We got fed up with that and buckled down and made the investment to fix that problem - we did the work SPECIFICALLY for the Aeros. CPit was the gate - and we did the work to get through it.
THAT's the point. It doesn't matter how many I have now. What matters is how many I won't have in the future even though I rallied my guild and did the work and hit the mark that CG set. Now that that's done, they're setting a new mark - and that's a bunch of bologna.
I am sympathetic for your situation. And I think they need another way to make them more accessible for everyone. I don’t think the crancor was a good system for the game. Created recruiting hell and a system of have and have not . In terms of entitlement I’m referring to the low and medium level players who guild hop, don’t contribute that much to rancor, and don’t make an effort on conquest. And they have plenty of more to work on besides getting characters to relic 8.
