Raid rewards comparison with data
So I did the math on the old system vs. the new. For the record I am in a 500 million gp guild. These numbers are per month, based on 10 Rancor, 8 Tank, 6 Sith, and 5 Cpit per month. With an avera...
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"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420534" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420527" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420524" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420518" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420512" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420510" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420502" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420499" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420479" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420452" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420447" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420445" wrote:
this is not getting nearly enough traction. as a ~5m gp player in a ~400m gp guild - i estimate going from ~28 aeros/month to ZERO.
that's just aeros. not considering anything else. i don't need to look at anything else.
this is a huge kick in the teeth and completely unacceptable.
I'm not sure why so many folks are concerned about aeros... You can get them from Conquest as well and many of us have a stockpile of them..
i have only been playing for 13 months. my account is 5m gp. my "stockpile" is 137 aeros, which will be gone in no time due to no longer adding any to it through raids. i would estimate a far greater # of players are in my position than yours.
Oh my gosh poor you! Only 137 aeros! I am at 6 mil and have earned all my aeros through conquest. And am doing just fine. I am glad crancor is gone, so maybe you won’t take them for granted in the future
I was getting my aeros from CPit. You're getting yours from conquest. You think it's no big deal that I've had my CPit source pulled out from under me. By this reasoning, I should assume that you'd be completely fine with a conquest system overhaul tomorrow that stripped you of your ability to earn aeros?
In your scenario, you still have access to conquest and a source of Aeros.
First, that's not the point at all. The point is I worked to build a roster and complete an event for rewards. I've had that taken away. So has every other player in the game who worked towards it and achieved it.
Second, how many players/guilds were capable of completing CPit but not capable of completing conquest to a high enough degree to get the aeros in there? This change hurts every single one of them, which I'm guessing is a lot.
The entire point of a game like this is to build, grow, and achieve milestones. The milestones we've worked hard to achieve should not be stripped away from us. It doesn't matter what that milestone is. Once it's been achieved, and its rewards earned, that it's. Achievement complete, move on to something bigger and better. Aeros, signal data, kyros - whatever. Just imagine any single resource in the game that you need - and that you've spent time, resources, and possibly even $ to achieve - only to have it taken away and told "rebuild something different to earn that thing today that you already built for and earned yesterday."
That's the crux of what has happened here - and it's not ok. And if you cannot grasp that then this conversation is pointless.
This pretty much sums it up....
Sure, but on this particular resource, people have already gone without them at your GP and have done just fine. And honestly, if some of these players can’t get Aeros in conquest, how much are those players even contributing to the Crancor wins? That being said, I agree that their should be easier access to aeros for ALL players
Isn't that the point of guilds? And how players grow? The "top half" of the guild pitches in more, because they're able - and the "bottom half" reaps the rewards. It's how young accounts are brought up. Along with the whole transfer of knowledge from the mature accounts to the young.
That guild coop is critical to the nature of guilds themselves. I thought you mentioned something previously about your distaste for people "guild hopping" to achieve higher rewards, but rather preferred sticking with a guild and helping it grow. So I'm not sure why you wouldn't have this mentality of helping the smaller accounts already baked in to your thinking..."NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420524" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420518" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420512" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420510" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420502" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420499" wrote:"Goavs506;c-2420479" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420452" wrote:"BubbaFett;c-2420447" wrote:"NoGodBeforeMyself;c-2420445" wrote:
this is not getting nearly enough traction. as a ~5m gp player in a ~400m gp guild - i estimate going from ~28 aeros/month to ZERO.
that's just aeros. not considering anything else. i don't need to look at anything else.
this is a huge kick in the teeth and completely unacceptable.
I'm not sure why so many folks are concerned about aeros... You can get them from Conquest as well and many of us have a stockpile of them..
i have only been playing for 13 months. my account is 5m gp. my "stockpile" is 137 aeros, which will be gone in no time due to no longer adding any to it through raids. i would estimate a far greater # of players are in my position than yours.
Oh my gosh poor you! Only 137 aeros! I am at 6 mil and have earned all my aeros through conquest. And am doing just fine. I am glad crancor is gone, so maybe you won’t take them for granted in the future
I was getting my aeros from CPit. You're getting yours from conquest. You think it's no big deal that I've had my CPit source pulled out from under me. By this reasoning, I should assume that you'd be completely fine with a conquest system overhaul tomorrow that stripped you of your ability to earn aeros?
In your scenario, you still have access to conquest and a source of Aeros.
First, that's not the point at all. The point is I worked to build a roster and complete an event for rewards. I've had that taken away. So has every other player in the game who worked towards it and achieved it.
Second, how many players/guilds were capable of completing CPit but not capable of completing conquest to a high enough degree to get the aeros in there? This change hurts every single one of them, which I'm guessing is a lot.
The entire point of a game like this is to build, grow, and achieve milestones. The milestones we've worked hard to achieve should not be stripped away from us. It doesn't matter what that milestone is. Once it's been achieved, and its rewards earned, that it's. Achievement complete, move on to something bigger and better. Aeros, signal data, kyros - whatever. Just imagine any single resource in the game that you need - and that you've spent time, resources, and possibly even $ to achieve - only to have it taken away and told "rebuild something different to earn that thing today that you already built for and earned yesterday."
That's the crux of what has happened here - and it's not ok. And if you cannot grasp that then this conversation is pointless.
This pretty much sums it up....
Sure, but on this particular resource, people have already gone without them at your GP and have done just fine. And honestly, if some of these players can’t get Aeros in conquest, how much are those players even contributing to the Crancor wins? That being said, I agree that their should be easier access to aeros for ALL players
Isn't that the point of guilds? And how players grow? The "top half" of the guild pitches in more, because they're able - and the "bottom half" reaps the rewards. It's how young accounts are brought up. Along with the whole transfer of knowledge from the mature accounts to the young.
That guild coop is critical to the nature of guilds themselves. I thought you mentioned something previously about your distaste for people "guild hopping" to achieve higher rewards, but rather preferred sticking with a guild and helping it grow. So I'm not sure why you wouldn't have this mentality of helping the smaller accounts already baked in to your thinking...
I just don’t think players in 5-6 mil range should feel entitled to Aeros or complain about only having 137 of them. When a lot of other guilds and players have gone with a much more limited fund. Now you can scrap for them like the rest of us. My distaste is for the medium players that bail decent guilds, not quite crancor ready, in order to mooch off higher end players.
That's fair if that's your viewpoint - although mine differs.
But you still aren't addressing the fact that something people specifically built for and spent a boatload of time and resources to achieve was taken away from them. Ignore aeros for a moment. Look at all the other rewards that are not comp'ing between the old raids and the new (there's plenty of posts about that here in this thread, on other threads, and all over discord and reddit).
As I've tried to convey on multiple posts now - when you invest into completing a challenge, that challenge should not be stripped away, leaving you without the rewards that you worked specifically to achieve.
Moving the goalposts is not cool - and if CG doesn't rectify it soon it's going to cost them some amount of players.
Obviously the whole reward system needs work. I’ve been able to get by fine at this point but I want them to make relic 8 materials equally accessible for all. I didn’t think the crancor was a good system, but I can understand the frustration with the moving the goal posts aspect of it
