Relic Delta and Carbonite Grand Arena

I hear your frustration. They did change the rules mid-stream, and it's affecting a great many people. But if you were beating people with many more relic tiers than you, you've got skills. Remember that the difference at 1-2 relic tiers is quite minimal. If you were beating ppl under the old system, you can beat them under the new system with fewer relic tiers as long as you're within that crucial range. 

Strategic investment of signal data and joining a guild with good raid performance (if you're not already in one) can get you over this hump in a few months. 

I've had to change my relic investment plans pretty drastically myself. It's not fun, to retweak all the relic tiers on these toons you already felt you had dialed-in for power level, and I fully support you making your decisions on which games to play based on which ones are fun to you. But I'm confident that if you stick with it, you'll get back to a new equilibrium soon. 

Good luck whatever you decide. 

I have had some luck beating teams will relic 5-7 vs my relic 2 and gear X in regular squad arena using the Phoenix team (Hera, Sabine, Ezra, Rex, Kanan). How? I have better mods. They aren’t fantastic, and are not sliced all the way, but they have speed. If you start clicking on opponents in squad arena, a lot of them are not modded this way (this is at ranking roughly 700-1000). I understand Squad Arena is not Grand Arena, and I also understand mods will only get you so far as I have somewhat hit a wall in this aspect as well. But it is a tip I thought I would share in the hopes it may help you. And I fully agree with the above post as well. Good luck.

Seedy, you are one of the most level minded people on this forum and thank you for that.  I think and agree with you that it’s still about better modding and investment in mods.  If you have an attacker, speed, offense, crit dmg, potency are most important.  If you have a tank, health, prot, tenacity and def.   All too often I look at my opponent and they have tenacity primary and the secondaries are worthless to the role of the character they’re used on and they’ve taken that worthless mod to 6* gold which is a waste of resources.  

relic delta is a pain, but you can win against 1-2 higher relic matches with correct mods on your toons.  

In Aurodium GAC to frustration is the same, banks of R9s the occasional R10. What Relic Delta has done is effectively reduced the counters available to potentially 1 team. If you lose that 1 match the entire rest of GAC is done because 1 team can closed an entire sector off. Wild DC's further muddy the waters here.

My roster probably like most is loaded with a lot of R5 characters, I bought bundles yes, but I'm finding now that R7 is effectively the bench line everything below that is too weak. 

The problem really as a player is the math, to advance everyone up is just too much. Its grindy or stupidly high priced.  There just isn't enough relic materials being made available to daily farm with any guarantee to as a player to plan moving everything up the Relic ladder. There is literally a 100+ characters in this game.  Is there enough Electrium Conductors, Zinbibble cards, Impulse Detectors. Flawed signal data? In Short No!  There just isn't enough materials being opened up!! 

CG, please can someone actually do some Math in the back office as to how long it would actually take someone playing the game with minimal spend to actually level up 10 characters to move from say R4 to R7 perhaps? I bet you number lands into years. If that turns out to be the case then its just too long. Random drops on energy refreshes is my personal favorite in this game I just wanna add. 

This is why your player base is tired and that you'll eventually lose gamers. High priced grindy games will come to an end especially as RL economics kicks in more as we're all constantly being reminded everyday by inflationary costs & job losses. 

Seriously if R11 gets dropped in anytime soon, that will likely be the straw that breaks the camels back.

J1mmy_Duk wrote:

how long it would actually take someone playing the game with minimal spend to actually level up 10 characters to move from say R4 to R7 perhaps? I bet you number lands into years.

My relic upgrades since the anniversary update launched on Nov 18th, no money spent whatsoever:
1x R5 -> R8
1x R7 -> R9
2x R8 -> R9

I disagree with you on several cases, but you're completely right here. I'm whizzing through Levi reqs right now

Wouldn't Relic Delta actually be a positive in Carbonite?

So, the rhetoric here is "Higher GP accounts, with lots of higher relic levels are harder to beat for lower GP/relic accounts, due to the introduction of RD".

Which would mean, these high GP accounts in Carbonite win more then and move out of Carbonite.  

Isn't this what we all want?

All about the Benjamins.  All the r10 and delta relic did were to add another revenue stream. I think most f2p could/should have gotten one toon to r10 with the freebies at the big update.  Now we wait to grind the colosseum for era currency to get servomotors, maybe six months….meanwhile people who spend money have multiple r10 and nothing less than r9 support units.  Delta was just another way to entice people to open their wallets, or fall even further behind.  I would expect anyone who is serious enough about the game to spend money and have multiple r10 are keenly aware of the importance of mods, so arguing your well modded r8 squad will take down a p2p r10 squad is thin at best.  It’s all about going the spenders something to buy.

I'm making a 4th R9 since the recent relic economy changes. 

If I could teach 1 lesson to every person who plays this game casually, it would be that you can't predict how many hits of speed you'll get, but you can choose the mods you save based on the match between set bonus, primary, and secondaries. 

With the right mod, it doesn't matter which secondaries hit because every roll is a good roll. Your Off/CC mod  with Off% primary, speed, +Off, CC%, and Pot or Health is always going to be good. Doesn't hit any more speed? Give it to a Resistance, Geo, or Mon Mothma-squad toon. TM Jumping will compensate for the low speed, meanwhile you've got lots of Off and CC. Speed hits a ton, but Off is moderate? Give it to someone who needs flat out speed more than Off. Loads up on Potency with moderate speed? You can still drop it on Boba Fett. 

It's not the RNG, it's the strategy in selecting the right mods, only levelling the ones that you know are going to work, and then knowing which toons need which stats the most.