I usualy not complain even when my guild got pretty shitty matchups lately like 5-10 more gls ,500 more g13 atd., you got the idea. But this time its too much even for me. CG needs to start thinking about doing smth. about this., Guilds are sandbaging leaving 10 players out of tw , most of the time alt accounts to get easy matchups and whats the reward? One zeta?? Ok cool but where is the fun in that? Is that 1 zeta worth it for them to play boring tws?? This guild prolly call themselfs top guild. Well good for them.. i know this issue is here for a while and will never change i guess, just wanted to give my 2 cents.

It's most likely not sandbagging - at least not in the sense that the other guild is doing something malicious. It's a bad matchmaking algorithm that does not accurately balance guilds matched with differing number of participants. Honestly, I am not sure why CG hasn't simply moved "number of active participants" up to the top of the matchmaking priority in the algorithm. Prolly too expensive. :/

Our 215mil guild has 47/49 joined.. our oppo has 258mil with 40/50 join.. Obviously that 258mil gp guild has a problem with participation, they are ok with 10 people being out at one time in a guild event, you can tell that by the guild gp, it’s a dead give away.@EventineElessedil bit it’s definitely not deliberate is it? As that would be gaming the system and pretty much being a kitten move really and obviously not something that really happens.

Hold on... is that... sarcasm @Damodamo...? Sandbagging is a thing. Lazy matchmaking algorithms are a thing. The notion that we shouldn’t care about a major component of swgoh gameplay because ‘it’s only 1 zeta’ is frankly bizarre. Lab rats press levers for rewards. I’d actually like to enjoy the game play.

"Damodamo;c-2148206" wrote:Our 215mil guild has 47/49 joined.. our oppo has 258mil with 40/50 join.. Obviously that 258mil gp guild has a problem with participation, they are ok with 10 people being out at one time in a guild event, you can tell that by the guild gp, it’s a dead give away.@EventineElessedil bit it’s definitely not deliberate is it? As that would be gaming the system and pretty much being a kitten move really and obviously not something that really happens.There are plenty of guilds (including in that GP range) that don't care about TW participation. If 10 people in my guild miss because they either forgot to sign up or just don't want to do TW, I don't care. For TB, every guild member's participation matters. For TW, all that matters is the participation of those who sign up.

Same here, 295m guild and you decide if you want to play. Most do, but we have several sit out each time for various reasons, usually because everyone is expected to participate and some won't have time to hit it.

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Nikoms565
5 years ago
It's most likely not sandbagging - at least not in the sense that the other guild is doing something malicious. It's a bad matchmaking algorithm that does not accurately balance guilds matched with differing number of participants.

Honestly, I am not sure why CG hasn't simply moved "number of active participants" up to the top of the matchmaking priority in the algorithm. Prolly too expensive. :/
maximumbanana18
New Spectator
5 years ago
Our 215mil guild has 47/49 joined.. our oppo has 258mil with 40/50 join..

Obviously that 258mil gp guild has a problem with participation, they are ok with 10 people being out at one time in a guild event, you can tell that by the guild gp, it’s a dead give away.

@EventineElessedil bit it’s definitely not deliberate is it? As that would be gaming the system and pretty much being a kitten move really and obviously not something that really happens.
Mighty_Sarlacc
5 years ago
Hold on... is that... sarcasm @Damodamo...?

Sandbagging is a thing. Lazy matchmaking algorithms are a thing. The notion that we shouldn’t care about a major component of swgoh gameplay because ‘it’s only 1 zeta’ is frankly bizarre. Lab rats press levers for rewards. I’d actually like to enjoy the game play.
Indominable_J81
5 years ago
"Damodamo;c-2148206" wrote:
Our 215mil guild has 47/49 joined.. our oppo has 258mil with 40/50 join..

Obviously that 258mil gp guild has a problem with participation, they are ok with 10 people being out at one time in a guild event, you can tell that by the guild gp, it’s a dead give away.

@EventineElessedil bit it’s definitely not deliberate is it? As that would be gaming the system and pretty much being a kitten move really and obviously not something that really happens.

There are plenty of guilds (including in that GP range) that don't care about TW participation. If 10 people in my guild miss because they either forgot to sign up or just don't want to do TW, I don't care. For TB, every guild member's participation matters. For TW, all that matters is the participation of those who sign up.
tvsfrink
5 years ago
Same here, 295m guild and you decide if you want to play. Most do, but we have several sit out each time for various reasons, usually because everyone is expected to participate and some won't have time to hit it.
EventineElesedi
5 years ago
Guesstimate that 5-10 players in my guild sit out every TW. It's not a deliberate strategy, it's just that they have something better to do I guess.
tvsfrink
5 years ago
TW focused can also mean if you don't have time to attack, don't join.
Indominable_J81
5 years ago
"Damodamo;c-2148374" wrote:

Indominable_J really? A high end guild that doesn’t care about participation? Hmm I’ve been in guilds sub 100 upto 280 ish and participation has always been a thing, if you happen to be on holiday then cool, but 10 people in a guild at a time? Hmm ok then.

Yes really. We're 250m+ and don't care whether or not you sign up for TW. If you sign up, we expect participation, but if you don't sign up, that's fine. TB we care about everyone participating.
ancientelster
5 years ago
You can't really compare the numbers because they only have 40 people in tw compared to your 50. Of course it will still be a mismatch, but part of the problem is these comparison tools that everyone uses are not accurate. The developers of those tools should fix them to provide correct comparisons or at least put a warning indicating that these comparisons are not relevant to the actual war when it's *not* 50 vs 50.
ancientelster
5 years ago
Also, if guilds intentionally sandbagged by sitting 10 people out of a war, odds are it would quickly become a guild of 40 instead of 50. Those 10 people would quit and go find another guild. Guilds do not intentionally sandbag. They just have players who don't join all the time.