Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

Tier 4 mostly sometimes 5
110mil GP
Jtr, rey, bb8, r2 rt. Zeta veers troopers with death trooper. Wiggs cls han leia. Nihilus ep vader savage thrawn. Asajj zeta unique daka acoloyte zombie. Pretty much all toons g11 and above.
Tier 1 is a slog and nihilus can be very unpredictable with his annihilate so phase special can be deployed and he decides not to use it.
Tiers 2 and 3 are fairly enjoyable
Tier 4 is the worst, massive slog to try and get through nihilus whilst traya and sion pound you. Once nihilus goes down its not as bad but still feels painful.

Most deactivating part is when doing tier 5 or tier 4 a few weeks ago when you put in 2 or 3 days of hard work and trying to grind out as much damage as possible and then getting 6 or 7 of each salvage for 3rd place. Time to reward value atm seems very low.

1. We have done two t6 raids, but typically do t5. We did one t4 and it took about as long as t5 for worse rewards.
2. My guild GP is currently 106M.
3. I use:
Resistance (RJT, BB8, R2, Trooper, Scavenger),
Zader (zVader, Hermit Yoda, Tusken Shaman, Darth Sidious, Boba Fett)
Big JC (Thrawn, Jedi Consular, Jawa engineer, Hera, Greedo) - Phase 1 only
Chex Mix (CLS, Han Solo, Death Trooper, Chirrut, ROLO)
Troopers (zVeers lead, Stark, Death Trooper, Snowtrooper, Shoretrooper)
Other Troopers (Thrawn lead, zVeers, Death Trooper, Stark, Shoretrooper)
First Order (zKRU, FO Executioner, FOTP, Phasma, zKylo Ren)
Nightsisters (zzVentress, Talia, Zombie, Daka, Talzin)
(variants and repeats because it takes my guild 3-4 days)
4. The only reasonable ratio of effort/reward is in Heroic, and I am trying to develop my tactics and squads to help my guild eventually achieve that.
5. It is considerably too much time. In order to get "good" runs with my squads, I usually spend 1+ hour per day....every. single. day. And in the end I get crappy rewards.

Basically the reward/effort ratio is nowhere near equitable in my mind. I understand that as a guild leader and the top scorer in my guild, I put in more effort than most of my guild, but this is really tiresome.

We recently merged and are in the process of bringing two guilds to heroic level. We've since completed the heroic version of the raid. I'll add some bullet points-

-the biggest detractor for participation in t6 and below is the rewards earned. In my opinion they are not in balance with the time spent completing the raid. That said, in my opinion, heroic is fine.

-the heroic tier of the raid is in my opinion highly satisfying to complete as a guild. The decision to remove the retreat function was ultimately the right call, I believe. This ensures the use of roster depth.

-the damage bug at the end of p4 is annoying. the guild can likely finish the raid in a "throw your whole roster" format, it is frustrating to drop in rank over a bug.

-in my opinion, the most frustrating element as a participant in the heroic raid, is the dependency on RNG factors. Anyone who plays the Chex mix team is aware of this.

-an enjoyable part of the raid is the element of balance or risk/reward. This is particularly true in p2 and 4, stacking cycle of pain/suffering.

Guild is 143mgp, 138m at the time of completion of heroic.

Current "road map" for the raid:

P1 JTR
P2 Trooper/Thrawn
Ackbar lead Leia spam
Phoenix
P3 chex mix
P4 zAsajj lead NS
Entire remaining roster

I hope that info helps or is relevant to what you're looking for @CG_SBCrumb

I'm in a 120m gp guild. We rotate 2x t4 then a t6. We have a wide variety of players ranging from 1.5m gp to 3+m gp.

Teams we're using are standard jtr, imperial troopers, sisters and quite a few others actually. Not all member have access to the top teams. Working on it.

Main issues: rewards for the t4-6 do not match the effort. T4 done in 2 days and is easy but almost pointless because of the rewards. T6 takes 5+ days. It's honestly a terrible slog and hard to keep people interested. Generally after a t6 we have enough tickets to launch another one but the guild is too drained to do it again. Repeat this process over and over and the game becomes something you no longer look forward to playing.

Before the reward rollback the rewards were more tolerable. I am NOT speaking about the heroic to be clear. We're not there yet.

The mechanics were initially just annoying but the more we play the better we get. I personally don't mind the mechanics anymore but I can see how people would still be frustrated by them. Too much tenacity, immunity to debuffs etc...

Zeta crunch. The teams required to do heroic need a huge zeta investment. It takes too long to get them. I know you guys already said you're happy with where zetas are at but you asked so that's my opinion. Need 3 for jtr + bb8. 3 more for sisters. 1 for troopers. 3+ for first order etc..

Tldr; raid needs better rewards for lower tiers and we need access to more zeta mats.

"OneWorldAway;c-1548167" wrote:
I hope that info helps or is relevant to what you're looking for @CG_SBCrumb

Yes! Thank you @OneWorldAway for putting that together. CG_Carrie and the rest of team have asked me to collect as more information about the STR for review. No plans at the moment but we will take a look at all the data and feedback to determine if/what we need to improve.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:

What tier or tiers did you play?

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

T4 most often, an occasional T5 to check our progress.
70m GP
Generally, I use JTR, Wiggs Rebels, NS, IT with Thrawn, and a DOT squad (Zader + DOT toons). Exact composition varies by phase.
Motivation comes from the week-to-week improvement, both myself personally and our guild as a whole. Several of us are committed to improving our rosters to do better and we are definitely progressing.
Demotivation comes from the lackluster rewards.
I enjoy the different strategies needed in each phase (other than the final part of T4 where nothing seems to work better than anything else) and the chance to work on and utilize some toons I'd barely even heard of before (Hi there, Magmatrooper and Tusken Shaman).
I don't enjoy the rewards, at T4 they aren't in line with the effort required.

Thanks for listening.

Hello,
Thank you for this thread.
My guild normally does T5 raids right now.
We are 110M GP
I attempt to use Sith in P1 because they do the most damage for me. I do not have some of the highly recommended characters such as BB8 and RJT. I use assist teams, various Rebel teams, Sith in P2. I use Chex mix and Rebels, Sith, Assist teams in P3, and I am almost finished with a NS team that is hitting P4 now. Other than those teams, I throw whatever I can at it until I obtain some more useful comps like Troopers or Resistance.
Motivated/enjoyment:
I feel like I am a unique position. I took some time off of the game for 7 months. I actually left right before TB dropped. I returned at the end of March. I have been doing the Sith raid since then and learning from it. I believe it is the best raid of the three so far. It is the most detailed and makes you think the most. I love the risk/reward function when dealing with Sion. Also, the characters bring back good memories of 2003 when I played KOTOR.
Demotivated/dislikes:
As of right now, I am still playing catch-up with gear. The Sith raid does help, but it does not feel like I get very many rewards for the amount of time I put into the raid. The raid is pretty lengthy. My guild runs constant raids as we push for more gear and better progress. It takes a toll because it is now a daily thing in the game, which takes up too much time for me. Unfortunately, I have resorted to autoing some teams that can handle it because I'm tired of playing it out. We understand that we can drop down to a lower tier and take a break more often, but the rewards are not worth it to us.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but it may have something to do with the frequency. I have also experienced TB and TW for the first time along with the STR. I enjoy the larger quantity of rewards with the fewer monthly participation of TB/TW. My TB and STR take up the same amount of time daily, but the TB only happens a few times a month.
Thanks for listening!

Updated Sion’s “Cycle of Pain” ability description to correctly reflect that units can gain Cycle of Pain if they damage Any enemy during a friendly or enemy turn instead of only during the enemy’s turn. Note: Cycle of Pain has also worked this way since we released the Sith Triumvirate Raid but the ability description did not mention that players could receive stacks of pain even if it was their turn. The difficulty of the Raid should remain unchanged.

Wow we had to wait that long for the fix to be the ability is WAI. That is just kitten. I mean really couldn't this information have been shared when the bug was acknowledged instead of the sneaky slight of hand that made it sound like the ability was going to be fixed to match the description?? This is just....... I am going to stop before i make some moderator come in and do that stuff we are not allowed to talk about. Thanks for nothing.

I've done T5, T6 and an attempt at Heroic

Guild GP is about ~120 million, though dropping recently as several long time players quit

The usual mix of teams, JTR, Thrawn-led troopers, Chex Mix, etc.

P1 and P4 are awful. P1 is totally random, and it isn't fun to have to restart 20 times to get the right RNG to do decent damage. It also isn't fun that you can basically only do damage with JTR, which leaves out 15-20 people in my guild. P4 just combines all the not-fun of all the other tiers into one big not-fun sandwich. Giving the enemies basically infinite tenacity kills far too many teams, and makes for a very unsatisfying experience. Having Nihilus in the raid is just not fun. Having a raid that even when we do manage to clear Heroic we can't auto because auto will never get things right isn't exactly something to look forward to as well.

At this point, even with 3.4 million GP, I just barely auto T5/T6 and put in the minimum amount of time and effort, because the rewards aren't even close to enough to reward the time commitment required for better runs. I find the mechanics incredibly frustrating, at least with Rancor and AAT you can make some progress without the optimal teams, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.