Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

What tier or tiers did you play?
We grind T6, also tried T5 but rewards are worse so we agreed that its better to grap some pieces of G12 stuff

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
About 110 Mio, but overall since its casual guild we have a strong top 5 a good bunch of around 20 players that particapte too and leftovers that more or less are only registered and are super frustrated with the raid mechanic. So we currently never reach the "GP" level.


What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
We currently use all the common teams, but building up Teams like Rey, NS etc. takes time and since our guild is casual friendly no one is forced to spend or farm Vets for Rey etc.

Since i am mostly a DS Player my current Teams are

• Thrawn+Troopers (that is my "Rey" Squad that do so much in all Phases and let me play for Top5 since i have Empire faction nearly maxed too)
  
• zVader,zSidious,zNihilus,etc. works fine once you manage to get DoTs stick
  
• BH Team with Jawa Engineer, since its T6 TD are fine and BH got a little Upgrade too (but i geared most up and overall the PvE Update wasnt good enough! I try to get Bossk to 6* the next weeks to use him too, but currently its only another 1mio+ Team. Which is bad, since its the latest rework feat pve focus and it clearly don't match with Rey, Troopers or P4 NS Teams, so the reworked clearly missed the goal to present another raid team - i still play it since its a) fun to play and b) i invested into them with G12 etc.)
  
• Droids with HK lead, R2,BB8, IG86 and IG88 or GG (both G12 and it depends if i use IG88 under Boba)
  
• "Left over Team" is either a G12 Krennic-Empire Team or a zeta KRU Team with Fox which isnt build up enough but overall both are good enough for another 500k or more.
  

Sometimes i also throw in GK or run a fun Barris+4 Jawas Team P1 (good enough for 500k^^)

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
I am motivated since i love the game and enjoy most parts and try to support my guild. Overall i enjoy to tinker around and try different teams and ideas. Its also nice to score really high without Rey with my well build Empire faction. On the other side it totally understand guild members. It can be very frustrating to see that a team around Rey (already Arena Meta) is also the best idea for the new raid. Moneywise it may be good for CG but designwise making Rey super important can't be the right way. Watching Arena chat or forum/reddit to see entire guilds change, since players left or get kicked (if the dont have rey or farm vets etc.) makes me sad.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
I enjoy the fact, that the raid has mechanics that need a player (P1 catching Nihilus or remove Isolate etc.). This should prevent hitting "Auto Battle" in the future too. Combine the Sith Triumvirat as a challenge in P4 is also nice.
Compared to Rancor/AAT this raid is also frustrating with RNG mechanics or the "debuff immune" idea across ALL phases... immun vs Debuffs & TM reduction means entire Teams and a lot of toons can't be used or a crippled (also a reason why Rey lead is so dominant). Gamedesign finally reached the point with "immun" vs "can't be Resisted" which screams: "It's a Trap!"
It will be a long way for my guild to be able to beat heroric, especially since latest faction rework missed the part to present another strong Raid Squad (wasn't it the idea behind the rework is not for Arena?). Its also frustrating to get a bunch of new Toons (Bossk, or old BH that most players haven't build up) or new characters from Solo movie and all the other nice stuff from the last months (fox, sion etc.) that you simply can't unlock/farm if you haven't done the "Farm for Rey" Wall. The game is already well-filled with so many options that even money will only get you some "shards" or little "pieces" which also translate into "is it worth it?". I will still play this game and will try to do my best at sith raid but i also hope for more "real" playable Squads or a rework of the "immun to everthing" design at this raid.

What tier or tiers did you play? Mainly t4 try t5 occassionally to see how long takes but everyone gets bored of it as takes too long.
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid? 85 mil GP
What teams you did you attempt the raid with? - NS, Imps, Rebels, Jawa, empire/sith. some other random mixes.
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying? P2 is about the only fun bit. Demotivated P1 needs 1 specific team to do decent damage, i can do lots of damage with a few teams on P1 but noway near from that other team. Once we get to P3 everyone has had enough (running t5) so it takes longer and longer. P4 is ok once Nil is gone but i imagine its going to take awhile to complete. T4 is done quick enough but rewards arent that great, t5 takes far too long and ppl lose interest but has guild tokens. We either need t4 with better rewards for a 2 day effort or a 4.5 tier where the rewards are better than t4 (guild event tokens) and also doesnt take as long as t5.
What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid? - see above.


In t4 i like p2-4 as i can do good damage but the rewards are pretty shocking for a 2 day raid when you compare what you can get in pit/haat.
T5 rewards are a little better as you get guild event tokens but it just takes too long and everyone loses interest.

TLDR: while the setting and general design are awesome, the difficulty is way too high, Nihilus sucks all the fun out of it, needing certain very hard to get characters to succeed is unreasonable, and the rewards are poor for the time and effort involved

* What tier or tiers did you play?

We started out at 4, and finished a few of those before attempting 5. We spent eight days in Phase 1 before we decided to abandon the raid, and we're back to tier 4.

* What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

66 million

* What teams you did you attempt the raid with?

Me, personally:

Resistance (zFinn, Poe, Scav Rey, Pilot, Trooper, all g12, Rey and Trooper g12+1); I've also tried subbing R2 or Barriss for Pilot.
Sith/Empire (g10 zPalpatine, g11 Vader & Maul, g9 Sith Trooper & TFP)
Jedi/Healer (Barriss, JKA, GM Yoda, Ahsoka, Visas Marr, all g11; I just Zeta'd and g12'd Barriss this morning)
Rebels (g9 Wiggs and Chirrut, g10 zHan, g11 zR2D2 )
Imperial Troopers (6* g10 Veers, 7* g10 Starck and g9 Storm, Snow & Magma)
Second String Jedi (g10 IGD and Luminara, g11 Mace, and g9 Consular and Plo Koon)

I've been playing for a year now, and I still don't have CLS, Thrawn, or GK, let alone JTR. I am 90% F2P. I know my teams except Resistance are not full strength, but all are well modded. As for the rest of my guild, we have many members with maxed out CLS, Thrawn, and GK teams, and several with JTR, not to mention a large plurality with other rare and powerful characters like Palpatine, Raid Han, and R2.

* What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

Credits and guild tokens will always motivate me.

Phases 1 and 4 are very demotivating. Even my Resistance team can barely scratch Nihilus, whose severely overpowered and unpredictable Annihilate combined with unbeatable tenacity and an unreliable Unbreakable Will makes these phases frustrating and stressful instead of a fun challenge. Of my teams, only the Jedi/Healer one can routinely make it to enrage vs. Nihilus. In fact, none of my teams, in any combination, can do more than about 500k damage vs. Nihilus, and most of them do half that or less.

Phases 2 and 3 are more fun because I can actually do decent damage against Sion and Traya, and it feels like I'm actually contributing instead of just doing the minimum.

* What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

I enjoy the rewards when we finally get them, but see below. I love Sith, and I'm a huge fan of KotOR 2, so I think the setting and the theme are awesome. I especially liked the pairing of Sith Marauders and Assassins with the three bosses.

As for dislikes, the difficulty level is way too high for guilds like mine. I know it's supposed to be challenging and difficult, but the talk about "any size guild can participate!" turned out to be misleading, in my opinion. It really means "any size whale-loaded guild with 100 mil+ GP and at least 20 maxed out JTR teams, unless you only do the lowest tiers." Mine is a casual guild, with members of different levels and commitment to the game, yet we still beat HAAT and Heroic Pit on a weekly basis. It takes us at least a week to beat tier 4 STR, and the rewards are paltry for the effort involved.

Also, the stacking tenacity pretty much erases the strength of many of my teams, which rely on debuffs. The nerf to Expose was especially aggravating because it made my best team even less effective against Nihilus than it was at the beginning.

Like someone else said above, it's more of a chore than a challenge, especially in p1 and 4; with HAAT and Heroic Pit, there are many different ways with many different teams to beat the various phases, and the same seems mostly true of STR p2 and 3. Part of the fun is trying out new teams and new characters. In p1 and 4, however, you can only do decent damage against Nihilus with certain rare characters, which most of my guild (and I'm guessing most of the player base, including those who've played for a year or more) do not have.

And sure, it can be seen as motivation to get those characters, but getting JTR means first farming FO characters to 7*, getting BB8, and then farming Finn, Scav Rey, and the Veteran Smugglers to 7*. That is a huge investment in time and effort (and credits, and crystals, and gear), and even if you do all that, you have to wait for the next Rey's Hero's Journey. If every single player in my guild focused exclusively on that, maybe we'd be able to beat higher tiers and in less time, but as I said, we're a casual guild, and everyone (myself included) has different goals and focuses. For F2P players, it feels like STR was made specifically for hardcore players with money to burn.

We had to do a lot of preparation to be able to do HAAT raids, but in the end (and with the help and guidance of our awesome Alliance-mates in WWL) it's been very well worth it. Prepping for HAAT didn't involve anywhere near the singular focus that STR requires.

Anyway, I'm getting long-winded here, so I'll stop. Thank you guys for running the BEST mobile game in the world, and especially for seeking feedback from the community. It's greatly appreciated.

My guild GP is about 45 Million. Progress wise, we are at about 20* in TB and we clear HAAT in a few hours (we have multiple people that can almost solo it).

We are a guild that is very supportive of starting players and this raid is especially punishing for guilds like ours that are all about community over pure performance.

We have done T5 in the past, but this took far too long, so we are condemned to do T4 now. This still takes us multiple days (although this is greatly increased by the massive demotivation in the guild, and thereby lower participation).

I personally use Rebels, Sith (under Nihilus), Ackbar lead/CLS, Night Sisters and Troopers as the 5 teams I use daily, although for some phases I modify this. I will get JTR next time she comes around at which point she will replace my weakest (Sith) team.

There is nothing about this raid that is motivating. Demotivation comes not only from the very weak rewards, the huge amount of time spent (both per day and in number of days) and the incredible discrepancy in rewards between lower tiers and heroic (while heroic raiders get full T12 pieces, we don't even get gear that is on par with a Heroic Rancor raid. Nothing of what we get helps us get anywhere, and only increases the difference between ourselves and people that are in bigger guilds).

What I dislike about the raid ? Well:
- Pigeonholed in what teams are used and even more in what teams are actually good. We are talking about one, sometimes two teams per phase that are actually useful
- Phase 1 mechanics feel like a chore and have a certain element of randomness. This makes it entirely unfun for all but hardcore players. HINT: Certain mechanics should be reserved for Heroic only !
- Phase 2 is good and very well designed
- Phase 3 is bothersome and unpleasant
- Phase 4 has some elements of all other phases.
- The raid is targeted specifically at big guilds that concentrate power and seems intentionally made to screw over anyone who is unwilling or unable to be in such a guild.

In general the raid is simply not made to be enjoyable, only to be hard for whales. In the design of the mechanics the designers clearly wanted to make an MMO-style raid that is very obviously unsuited for a mobile game. This is too demanding on the playtime of the players, and only good for people who are willing or able to spend hours a day in the app.

T6; starting T7
Overall I don’t mind it because it’s something to work towards, but the restarts when you have fully maxed g12 characters to get the RNG you’re looking for is a bit absurd, although I’m sure that will change when the level cap increases, should get much easier.
I don’t have an issue with much else. I like the game.

"Carth_Onassi1973;c-1548656" wrote:
T6; starting T7
Overall I don’t mind it because it’s something to work towards, but the restarts when you have fully maxed g12 characters to get the RNG you’re looking for is a bit absurd, although I’m sure that will change when the level cap increases, should get much easier.
I don’t have an issue with much else. I like the game.

I would say that gear 12 toons being destroyed so effortlessly is frustrating.

What tier or tiers did you play?
T4 or T5

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
103mil

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
MANY combinations of toons.

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
Motivated? Nothing. I don't want to do it.

Demotivated?
The junk rewards.
The mechanics that make teams useless. The RNG dependence of a good score. The fact that the best toons for the raid can only be unlocked by special events so I can't even work on developing a squad until the events come out, by first working on worthless toons.
The fact that it is SO slow.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
Enjoy? "defeated" so i can exit and register my score.

Dislike?
tenacity up. no tm removal. RNG dependence. Stupid abilities (Traya damaging toons for using their own abilities? whoever thought of that is just not clever).
The thing I hate the most is that we can't really work towards anything, if you don't have a high number of JTR in your guild, you can't do the raid. At least with tank, it was difficult, but you could always develop a team and try different combinations, and could contribute your 2% per phase. Now a maxed out squad will be sometimes be lucky to do 0.5% depending on RNG. This is literally endgame stuff, as in the end of your game, especially for middle of the pack guilds/players.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:
Hello Holotable Heroes,

We have received a wide range of feedback about the newest raid, The Sith Triumvirate and we would like to hear more about your experience. Please include the following information in addition to your feedback:

• What tier or tiers did you play?
  
• What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
  
• What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
  
• What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
  
• What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
  

1] we are sitting on T3 without seeing much progress
2] we have just crossed 50M GP
3] Throwing basically anything we have. Since we do not have JTR players in the guild, that strategy is forbidden to us and it hurts.
The more advanced players usually attempt Nihilus with the Thrawn-Magmatrooper rapid fire combo (with Deathtrooper, Sabine, and available healer) and DoT team with Vader, Boba Fett, Sidious and such... The 2nd team is unpredictable, not fun to play because of tenacity rollercoaster and multiple retreats required before getting lucky, but can provide results. Various Rebel and Imperial Trooper squads for Sion and Traya and all of these in P4.

4+5] people actively refuse to play Nihilus for reasons I already mentioned in my previous post
(https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/168385/sith-raid-are-we-missing-something)

But still: Nihilus is what kills this raid. He is unpredictable and has a stupid amount of mechanics, which counter almost any team that attempts to kill it.
Nihilus so far counters: Debuff squads (haha, Tenacity +50% per hit and Ten Down immunity), Buff squads (dispells everything on his basic, buffing himself WHILE reducing cooldowns?) Protection squads (all of his attacks bypass our protection), Counter squads (protection recovery), Assist squads (protection recovery), Fast squads (difficult Unbreakable will timing), Slow squads (will cycle through drain force faster than healer recovers), Tanks (dispells taunts and deals dmg by HP%) and of course TM Reduction squads (High tenacity, but hey, THIS ONE is justified).

Also the fact that Darth Sion is up next, which is the best fight there and maybe best raid fight ever, so that when Nihilus is getting low on HP, vultures flock, waiting for that one guy to slap him down so that rest can enjoy a glorious fight with Mr. Sundered Skin.

Traya is kind-of plain, not bad, but not as fun either (AoE sabers, whack the granny, repeat). Isolate is pain in the rear because unlike P4 there is no way to manage it (couldn't Stand Alone do it? I mean come on, the character is basically isolating himself to fight Traya before reuniting with rest of group)

P4 is then a nightmare. Apart from everything wrong with Nihilus (see above), there are 2 more mechanics that makes this phase feel like you actively want people NOT to play the raid.
issue 1: Traya manipulates (drains from you, adds to mostly Nihilus) Turn Meter. That makes it very, VERY difficult to anticipate incoming Annihilates.
issue 2: Stacks of Pain from Sion counts as debuffs for purposes of Nihilus's Drain Force. With long CD on dispells limited only to healers and supports and shared dispell with Bonds of Weakness, I can only ask WHY???

Also, rewards for T3 Triumvirate are somewhat on par with T4 or T5 Rancor (with more guild currency but not significantly), while the raid takes definitely more commitment and focus than AAT. Rewards should be scaled up.

I enjoy phases 2 and 3 and also a healthy amount of theorycrafting I do for my guild in attempts to overcome this insanely difficult task.

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I also have suggestions how to make the playthrough more enjoyable.
1. Make Stand Alone dispell Isolated in P3 so that we can manage it somehow.

2. Drop all protection on Nihilus. He does not need it. The guy has too many mechanics compared to the other 2 bosses. Even though dispells would still be in place, buff groups would be able to do at least some damage. And there would still be plenty of stuff to manage. The counter and assist groups are already punished enough by 5%TM gain on a hit and stacking speed, but if you really needed to, you could add 5% offense per hit to the mix.

3. In phase 4, make Unbreakable Will last not for one turn, but until a character has been hit by Annihilate or Isolation. That would make the phase more predictable. And make it so that Nihilus ignores Pain (or suffering) while using Drain Force. This change would be nice in P1 as well, but there the timing is actually OK and could be fun, if the rest of the phase was not so revolting.

Discussion welcomed :smile:

We are a 160M+ GP guild who complete heroic regularly, we only did a single tier 6 at the start to ublock it. We have all of the required teams and complete the raid quite quickly.

The rewards for the heroic tier (specifically the high chance at a full piece of gear) are motivating. So is the ability to unlock Traya of course.

The de-motivating (and unenjoyable) part of the raid are the mechanics. Currently there are not really any useful mechanics to succeed in the raid, it comes down to a lot of rng (which means re-starting multiple times to get a good score). I’d say that this aspect is more prominent in this raid than it ever was in past raids, and it’s the part that is less fun. I’ll add that I realize we are still pretty early on and that this may well be intentional (keeping the heroic tier difficult for now while some newer toons will be released later that make it easier).

What tier or tiers did you play? Played 1-4
What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
1st guild is 40 million did tier 4 took a week settled on tier 3 after crushing 2. 2nd guild is 20 million and tier 1-2
What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
Phase 1 - rebels, bh, troopers, ns
Phase 2 - ps, sith, bh, troopers
Phase 3 - ps, rebels, bh, troopers
Phase 4 - ps sith, bh, nightsisters
What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
Lackluster rewards for effort put in.
What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid? Phase 1 and phase 4 Nihilus is just not fun to grind through. We end up having only half the guild contribute to phase 1 because they don’t want to play. I enjoy phase 2 and 3 because damage boosts are fun and I’m able to contribute. Without jtr it’s nigh impossible to get great damage in phase 1.