Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

In a guild that tried heroic at about 131m gp and barely made it through phase 1. Too much rng and retreats and retired needed.
Personally I don't have jtr or deathtrooper and at nearly 3.1m gp I didn't even scratch it.
Too much time and effort for pathetic rewards in the lower tiers that I don't bother hitting. Can't compete with those with jtr that can post 10s of million in damage.
This raid has reduced it to the haves and have not and is soul destroying.

1 - We mostly do T4, we've tried t5 a couple times, but it takes 7ish days to complete so it's not worth it. T4 is completed in ~2 days.
2 - We're currently 98mil
3- Depends on the phase, I'm usually stuck helping us slog through p1 and p4, so my teams are

JTR, Orig Rey, RT, bb8, R2 (p4 is usually Jedi consuler or Zarriss instead of R2)
p1 - Thrawn, Magma, Snow, DT, veers
Zader, Shore, palp, Boba, Stark or Thrawn (depending on if I was in p1 that day)
Wedge, Biggs, CLS, Han, then DT, R2, Yoda (just unlocked), depending on phase/availablility
Assaj, Talizan, Acolyte, Mother, zombie - lead varies by phase/mood
Used to do a Jyn, cassian, Jedi Consular, FOTP, Geo Soldier (or K2 subbed in depending on phase) - but my trooper team out grew them finally
4 - Motivation - I like to be 1st, I like to improve - demotivation - It's a TON of time/work for the rewards, I get first and I've got 1? completed set the entire time, everything else is maybe 6-10 of some gear I don't need, or if I'm lucky a few furnaces or stun cuffs.But the rewards are HORRIBLE when you compare time/effort to HAAT or Rancor, so how can I motivate my guildmates to try hard when the reward is 1/5th of a gear piece for one character.
5 - fun - it forces me to build/use new teams, the mechanics are mostly enjoyable and new since it's not a blind autoplay or all out damage fest. - Not fun at all - Too much RNG on some of it. Without SERIOUS research/mechanics knowledge I'm playing a guessing game on if my guy with the nihlus shield needs to pop it now, or if I pop it he'd get a turn again before nihlus causing a wipe, or if the person who I really want to pop the shield will get a turn before nilius. The shield needs to last 2 turns, have an option to turn off, or something needs to be done so it's not such a guessing game of who will go next. Zader and JTR are the hardest, if my empire get lucky 'too many times' i find myself burning through my shield because nihl didn't go when he normally would. It's also really annoying that in order for my Zader team to work I have to mod them such that I can't use Zader effectively in arena, TW, or well anywhere else really because nowhere else requires me to put so much potency on him to be usable.

Bottom line though - all the RNG aside, if I actually got worthwhile amounts of gear from the raid I could motivate myself and guildmates so much more to build teams and get the event beat. I realize they're separate raids, but Rancor=3mins of work and 40 Furnaces. Sith raid is an hour+ of work and I get 6-10 furnaces. Seriously??? HAAT is an hours worth of work and I get significantly more everything as well.

Heroic
145m
Jtr, Chex, ns, etc, etc,
Both motivation and demotivating: Trying to get 8% on stage 1.
Demotivating: the nerf on my toons by CG
Dislike: NERF. and Too time consuming
Like: Traya shards.

What tier or tiers did you play?

1 thru 4 (so far) because rewards being what they are, potentially wasting raid tickets seems fruitless. If it takes 3 to 4 days to complete t4 and up, we end up wasting tickets. So we run T2 or T3 to grab coins.

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?

GP 60 MIL

What teams did you attempt the raid with?

Any and all, and the resulting frustration is just turning it into an auto fest. (Hit auto watch tv)

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?

DN is the most boring part of the raid. No way to counter. Etc.. Most of our guild (I am the leader) wait for a few of our heavy hitters to get past him. Then they wait again in p4 until DN is down.

What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?

Hand on heart, I really dislike it completely. I have tried and tried to think of ways to approach it, make it fun for the members and I have given up. Honestly, if it was removed I would be thrilled. Compared to the other raids I can safely speak for our members, they have gone as far as saying they hate it, and only want the coins.

Hard to enjoy a raid when even getting the rewards, is not interesting. I just claim them and go on.

My guild is 80 mil gp.

We currently do tier 3 only because we can kill it in a day so we can at least get guild currency frequently. Noone cares about it enough to do higher tiers because we know we can't do heroic yet and the rewards are absolutely not even close to the effort needed to put into it.

I use jtr, zeers, and wiggs teams mostly. If I'm bored and want to do another battle, I'll use nihilus lead.

P1 and P4 are long and boring. 2 and 3 are actually enjoyable I think.

- Tier VI once. Heroic since.

- 150M guild GP

- P2 = Imp Troopers, Phoenix, Ackbar/Leia. P3 = Chex. P4 = Nightsisters to kill Nihilus, then throw everything at it, often starting with Rebels. I can't play P1 because I don't have JTR.

- I am motivated by Traya shards, rare gear, and a feeling of obligation to my guild mates (who may or may not have the same motivations). I am not motivated by challenge gear. No need for a fancy solution: just remove it and add in more non-challenge gear, please.

- I enjoy the Sith theme of the raid and the characters that were introduced with it. I do not enjoy how static the raid feels. There's nothing dynamic about it. A lot of new mechanics and animations, but still just feels like a grind. I do not enjoy how JTR and Death Trooper are the only ways to do significant damage. If you want a raid to be a puzzle, it should change each run. Playing a puzzle for the 15th time is no longer puzzling.

Thanks for the invitation to give feedback! I know people can be plenty rude even without opinions being solicited, so it's kind of you to invite it.

"CG_SBCrumb;d-169517" wrote:
Hello Holotable Heroes,

We have received a wide range of feedback about the newest raid, The Sith Triumvirate and we would like to hear more about your experience. Please include the following information in addition to your feedback:

• What tier or tiers did you play?
  
• What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
  
• What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
  
• What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
  
• What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
  

You guys already have all of this statistical information, and a ton more.
Everyone, including CG knows phase 1 and 4 are ridiculous.
Everyone, including CG knows only the elite guilds can finish the raid on heroic, nothing below that matters. (Especially given the garbage rewards)
Everyone, including CG knows the stupidity of the raid is only widening the power gap in game.
Most of all, Everyone, including CG knows this raid IS NOT FUN. Games are supposed to be fun.
This is a failed end game experience experiment. Move on.

-What tier or tiers did you play?
Tier 4
-What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
70mil
-What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
Various, no JTR but 7* Deathtrooper.
-What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
Motivate? Some loot is better than none?
Demotivate? Boring, Nihilus' mechanics, how long it takes to do, not worthy loot, etc...
-What about the raid did you enjoy? What did you dislike about the raid?
P2 and P3 are OK, P1 and P4 and quit worthy.

What tier or tiers did you play?
We’ve played T4 and T6

What GP is your Guild that is attempting the raid?
84m

What teams you did you attempt the raid with?
JTR - Resistance (JTR, BB8, R2, Scav Rey, RT), NS (zzAssajj, acolyte, MY, Talia, zombie)

What part of the raid motivated or demotivated you to continue trying?
It’s a boring grind. Guild participation is severely waning turning it into a bigger grind with fewer posting big damage

What about the raid did you enjoy?
Trying new team combos

What did you dislike about the raid?
Extremely boring and tedious

1) Tier 4, then 3, now 2.

2) 60m GP then after the top 3 people (The only 3 with a JTR Team) left to join guilds that can do T6/Heroic we dropped to ~50m. Then after others stopped playing due to the top people leaving/didn't want to have to do the raid, we lost another ~5m to bring us to 45m

3) The raid generally takes ~3 days to finish, so everyone throws everything they can into phase 1. Which generally takes an entire day. No one in the guild has a JTR team, so Phase 1 goes very slow. Phase 2 and three are usually done within a 6 hours. Our guild generally uses the "best" teams available for them. Lately, most of the guild has finished putting together Chex Mix for Phase 3. Phase 4 takes another day to get through. We don't have any JTR teams, so its a long slog through getting DN down, then much quicker after that.

4/5) The shield on DN has to be the most demoralizing. Even doing high damage gets mitigated and even sometimes nulled entirely. Only have 1 option for reliable amount of damage on Nihilus is very discouraging to the guild, especially since JTR is one of the hardest farms in the game (the Vets requirement alone is enough to make most of our guild not make her a priority). I would recommend to make the shield on DN only something for T5/6/Heroic. And even at T5 scale it way down. Overall, I like the theme of the raid. And I also enjoy Phases 2 and 3. I even like Phase 4 once DN is down. The real downfall of the raid is centered entirely around DN from my standpoint.

The gear is really bad for such a low tier after the rollback. For a guild that does heroic Pit and HAAT there seems to be no point in even doing T2 of Sith, and T3 take even longer to do. Not to mention most of the gear that the top end members of the guild need come from T5+ of the raid... so we will not be seeing those tiers for quite a while.