Sith Triumvirate Raid Feedback Thread

"PremierVenoth;c-1568741" wrote:
I was thinking, how come ships 2.0 received 43 pages of dislikes and there's only 20 pages here - but then I was like, right, a lot of people on here are likely doing Heroic, and it's not too bad then - it's only 2 days, rest between, etc. You don't burn out.
This thread is really just us schmucks with 2.5-3 mil GP who don't want to leave our guild and so have to suffer for it. With multiple comments from devs over the years, I do think devs want to break up casual guilds and push higher GP people into more competitive guilds where peer pressure may induce greater spending.
Maybe that's always been obvious, I could be slow. It's been a reoccurring theme in the game I dislike - I mean, a solid reason for me guppying on like I am is because of my guild, pretty sure (50/50) I'd stop if my guildies all left.
Don't get me wrong, I want CG to profit too and keep the game going, but in this aspect I think new Content/Raids should try and induce guild solidarity, not immediately rip out the best players in each guild as the new Raid rat race commenceth.
TL;DR: Ships 2.0 was made so bad we'd forget about the STR problem, clearly. Only answer.

I agree. and today I hung up my spurs and gave my account to my guildmate. this will be my last forum post and then done. there are many factors but one is definitely that I can't shake the suspicion that CG would rather I was gone. as part of handing over my account i looked at the google purchase history for my account and I spent $25 over 2 years. I would have been happy to spend up to $100 probably if the game was stable and reliable in what you get for your money. but since it isn't, I didn't. if that level of spending isn't enough to matter I with they would make it more clear what level is worthy of getting a response to a 20 page thread. oh well. it was fun while it lasted. fight on people if you are still having fun.

and fix the sith raid for AdlerCl please!
@CG_SBCrumb

"Smygelfh;c-1568307" wrote:
It's simple. If you're T6, you slog it out for days and get a kick in the groins as reward. If you do heroic, you work hard for 1-2 days and get useful full crafts and Traya shards.

The step from T6 to Heroic is "7* DT, a lot of Reys and a good deal of NS". That's no easy step to take. And while you wait for the event, you have (usually the ones contributing the most) people losing patience and moving to guilds already doing heroic, which means the step up gets infinitely long.

A clear and simple solution is available:

1. Increase the rewards on T6 and below. A lot. A factor of ten might not even be good enough. This might make it worth it for qualified people to stay with their progressing guild instead of feeling forced to move to a stronger one to keep up their progress.

If that's not possible for some weird reason, it needs to be less frustration in the raid:

The simple and only viable reward buff that makes lower tiers worth it is to offer only whole gear pieces for the most in demand gear for that level & buff the currency reward 2-3× (if we're expected to spend 3-5 days on it we should get rewards comperable to TB).

The thing is the devs already tries to nerf heroic tier gear payout when they realized it broke their intended gear 12 bottlenecks. They had to back down when guilds doing the heroic rebelled and said the vastly lower gear payout didn't make the raid worth doing. I think that says a lot about the flaws to the raid.

Essentially to make the rewards worth it the devs are realistically looking at having to erase the gear bottlenecks. Which I don't think would be a bad thing since credits, omegas, and zetas still impose limitations. But it would hurt their income from shipment gear sales.

Regardless they need to make a balance pass since the difficulty of lower tiers way exceeds what is reasonable to expect of the listed toon minimums (not the least of which is because you literally cannot have jtr if you only meet the minimum requirements). It's absurd that a tier 2 DN's basic & force drain abilities are a credible threat to my g11/g12 toons; the only thing that should be able to kill them at that tier is an OHK ability or enrage, all other attacks shouldn't put a dent in them.

Even after fixing obviously way overtuned bosses they only way, imo, they could keep the rewards as is IF they nerfed the raid so hard into the ground you could clear tier 1-6 faster than heroic rancor.

"Captain_Apollo;c-1568982" wrote:

"Smygelfh;c-1568307" wrote:
It's simple. If you're T6, you slog it out for days and get a kick in the groins as reward. If you do heroic, you work hard for 1-2 days and get useful full crafts and Traya shards.

The step from T6 to Heroic is "7* DT, a lot of Reys and a good deal of NS". That's no easy step to take. And while you wait for the event, you have (usually the ones contributing the most) people losing patience and moving to guilds already doing heroic, which means the step up gets infinitely long.

A clear and simple solution is available:

1. Increase the rewards on T6 and below. A lot. A factor of ten might not even be good enough. This might make it worth it for qualified people to stay with their progressing guild instead of feeling forced to move to a stronger one to keep up their progress.

If that's not possible for some weird reason, it needs to be less frustration in the raid:

The simple and only viable reward buff that makes lower tiers worth it is to offer only whole gear pieces for the most in demand gear for that level & buff the currency reward 2-3× (if we're expected to spend 3-5 days on it we should get rewards comperable to TB).

The thing is the devs already tries to nerf heroic tier gear payout when they realized it broke their intended gear 12 bottlenecks. They had to back down when guilds doing the heroic rebelled and said the vastly lower gear payout didn't make the raid worth doing. I think that says a lot about the flaws to the raid.

Essentially to make the rewards worth it the devs are realistically looking at having to erase the gear bottlenecks. Which I don't think would be a bad thing since credits, omegas, and zetas still impose limitations. But it would hurt their income from shipment gear sales.

Regardless they need to make a balance pass since the difficulty of lower tiers way exceeds what is reasonable to expect of the listed toon minimums (not the least of which is because you literally cannot have jtr if you only meet the minimum requirements). It's absurd that a tier 2 DN's basic & force drain abilities are a credible threat to my g11/g12 toons; the only thing that should be able to kill them at that tier is an OHK ability or enrage, all other attacks shouldn't put a dent in them.

You hit the nail on the head I think. That leaves them with significantly nerfing the lower tiers to actually pull what the raid bosses can do in line with their listed gear and shard requirements.

@CG_SBCrumb
It's been quite a while since we've heard anything... you ok? Any update... even "we're still thinkiing it through" would be appreciated. At this point, it's really starting to feel like you're dodging us.

I have money to spend... you all do want it, correct? My wallet starts closing when there is no communication & at this rate of communication, I'm surprised it hasn't imploded.

"Dabro112;c-1569016" wrote:
I am in a heroic guild. If you think doing this raid clears gear bottlenecks think again. They can guarantee a full piece. But that doesn't mean it's a useful piece. I have come in top 10 every raid and I have gotten two meaning ful pieces out of 15. They still augment the drop rates so we are not all getting a fully crafted multi tool. I have 4 full wristbands and 93 salvage. I have 2 visors and 44 salvage and no toons need them. Does the lure of a full piece enhance my drive? Yes but it is still subject to luck. Increasing the Guild Event Currency was a great move. Nerfing the amount of other stuff you get was too extreme.

If you're referring to my comment of the full pieces making bottlenecks irrelevant it wasn't based on my personal opinion that that was so but rather my recollection that one of the devs gave that as the reason for the gear reward nerf they briefly tried out for heroic in the ill-fated reward revamp. My understanding is that their intention long run is way more salvage and way less full gear pieces for heroic but they screwed up that balance owing to a lack of a full gear tier past g12.

It therefore stands to reason that even though providing full pieces of high demand gear for lower tiers at a similar % to what is given heroic loot boxes is part of what is needed to make rewards worth it the devs won't do it on similar grounds.

As for what they could do at this point? Nothing that doesn't require explicit or tacit admission that they screwed up designing the raid in a major, major way. The truth is though that they need to suck it up and take those steps along with the fallout because 6 or the 7 tiers aren't worth doing because of the combo of serious boss over tuning at lower tiers (relative to listed difficulty) and absolute trash for rewards. Like I don't think there is a single comment in this entire thread speaking positively about the time investment required or rewards for tier 1-6.

My guild has made the jump from tier 5 to tier 6 to test the waters.

What an absolutely horrible raid you guys have designed. I'm all good with making a raid that can't be done by one person, but honestly, who tested this raid and gave it the thumbs up?

DN in particular has almost no redeeming qualities. I've registered 6 scores from about 30 attempts just trying to negotiate DN's horrible design. Can't blame anyone who just hits auto or refusea to participate in p1. It really is as bad as this thread makes it out to be.

Well considering this is page 21 here, I've came to this conclusion ( get your tinfoil hats ready) CG is a business. Much like businesses they need to have a paper trail. Think like when a job has a hiring post on job builder or such, it doesn't mean they are actively looking for someone just a paper trail. The crumb shmo puts up a post about (it care about this game and comunity) and (how do you like the sith raid) it's all propaganda. Carrie said they have a 3 year calender, I never trust corporations, I think they are saying that so us unsuspecting star wars fans spend what ever money we want on a game that's sinking fast with no life raft. They know these 2 things (ships/str) has destroyed the player base and don't forget the newest threat ( marvel strike force) which its funny seems some of the game changers are going to that game and plugging that game. If I were you guys, I'd stop and smell the wampa droppings of this game and say let me think about the next crystal purchase because your just feeding Carrie her incentive pink slip.

Page 22 maybe...

"Sacull_Kinslayer;c-1569601" wrote:
Page 22 maybe...

Not so sure if it's page numbers or simply time. But maybe, we'll get an Awesome Gust of wind to move this ship along. Some Auspicious Gusto on part of the devs. Awesome... Gust. Auspicious... Gusto. Awe... Gust... August. Yeah. YEAH, that sounds right!

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