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GridanWWL's avatar
8 years ago

Sith Trooper Zaul lead bug?

Why does Sith Trooper have crit hit immunity under a zaul lead? Nothing in his unique says he will gain crit hit immunity and the zaul lead only applies to stealthed units?
  • He gains all the buffs for being stealthed from the leader ability but the taunt buff takes precedence so you still have to target a taunting character. There was an update note about this when the Lord of Hunger events were released.
  • So he isn't stealthed yet has all the benefits of being stealthed. Way to go CG. Stupid piece of trash.
  • "Check_It;956284" wrote:
    So he isn't stealthed yet has all the benefits of being stealthed. Way to go CG. **** piece of trash.


    I think he's supposed to have both buffs showing, but it might be a visual bug that it's just showing the taunt and not the stealth as well.
  • scuba75's avatar
    scuba75
    New Traveler
    It is a weird interaction.
    If he was stealthed and then gains taunt he keeps the benefits from Zaul stealth because he will keep stealth buff but taunt will take precedence forcing opponents to target him. So he will keep the the crit immunity until he loses the stacked stealth via his turn start or dispel and will gain advantage when that happens.

    If he doesn't have stealth and gains taunt he will not be able to gain stealth so he shouldn't get tm effects on dodge and shouldn't have crit immunity.

    Edit: he will not keep getting tm on evade because having taunt buff stops that.
  • It is working as intended. Stealth and Taunt are now separate statuses and can stack, as mentioned in the update notes.

    "If a unit has both Taunt and Stealth at the same time, Taunt takes precedence (i.e., enemies will be forced to target them), but the unit will still count as both Taunting and Stealthed for the purposes of triggering other effects and abilities."
    https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/94451/upcoming-quality-of-life-game-improvements-part-4#latest

    So please read before tossing out insults at the devs or claiming this is a bug, thanks.
  • "scuba;956677" wrote:
    It is a weird interaction.
    If he was stealthed and then gains taunt he keeps the benefits from Zaul stealth because he will keep stealth buff but taunt will take precedence forcing opponents to target him. So he will gain 20% tm on dodge and have crit immunity till he loses stealth.

    If he doesn't have stealth and gains taunt he will not be able to gain stealth so he shouldn't get tm effects on dodge and shouldn't have crit immunity.


    Are you sure about that second part @scuba? the TM gain effects don't depend on the sith having stealth, it depends on them being critically hit or evading. The stealth also depends on being crit or evading and then the crit immunity depends on being stealthed. But he should be able to gain the TM without gaining stealth as they're technically independent of eachother.
  • scuba75's avatar
    scuba75
    New Traveler
    "Vertigo;957011" wrote:
    "scuba;956677" wrote:
    It is a weird interaction.
    If he was stealthed and then gains taunt he keeps the benefits from Zaul stealth because he will keep stealth buff but taunt will take precedence forcing opponents to target him. So he will gain 20% tm on dodge and have crit immunity till he loses stealth.

    If he doesn't have stealth and gains taunt he will not be able to gain stealth so he shouldn't get tm effects on dodge and shouldn't have crit immunity.


    Are you sure about that second part @scuba? the TM gain effects don't depend on the sith having stealth, it depends on them being critically hit or evading. The stealth also depends on being crit or evading and then the crit immunity depends on being stealthed. But he should be able to gain the TM without gaining stealth as they're technically independent of eachother.


    Let me correct it a little bit. Because if he has taunt doesn't matter if he has stealth stacked with taunt, the taunt will prevent the TM gain but he keeps the crit immune till his turn or dispelled.
  • "scuba;957022" wrote:
    "Vertigo;957011" wrote:
    "scuba;956677" wrote:
    It is a weird interaction.
    If he was stealthed and then gains taunt he keeps the benefits from Zaul stealth because he will keep stealth buff but taunt will take precedence forcing opponents to target him. So he will gain 20% tm on dodge and have crit immunity till he loses stealth.

    If he doesn't have stealth and gains taunt he will not be able to gain stealth so he shouldn't get tm effects on dodge and shouldn't have crit immunity.


    Are you sure about that second part @scuba? the TM gain effects don't depend on the sith having stealth, it depends on them being critically hit or evading. The stealth also depends on being crit or evading and then the crit immunity depends on being stealthed. But he should be able to gain the TM without gaining stealth as they're technically independent of eachother.


    Let me correct it a little bit. Because if he has taunt doesn't matter if he has stealth stacked with taunt, the taunt will prevent the TM gain but he keeps the crit immune till his turn or dispelled.


    But why does the taunt prevent the TM gain? Shouldn't the TM gain be independent of the stealth buff and only depend on dodging/being crit?
  • scuba75's avatar
    scuba75
    New Traveler
    "Vertigo;957025" wrote:
    "scuba;957022" wrote:
    "Vertigo;957011" wrote:
    "scuba;956677" wrote:
    It is a weird interaction.
    If he was stealthed and then gains taunt he keeps the benefits from Zaul stealth because he will keep stealth buff but taunt will take precedence forcing opponents to target him. So he will gain 20% tm on dodge and have crit immunity till he loses stealth.

    If he doesn't have stealth and gains taunt he will not be able to gain stealth so he shouldn't get tm effects on dodge and shouldn't have crit immunity.


    Are you sure about that second part @scuba? the TM gain effects don't depend on the sith having stealth, it depends on them being critically hit or evading. The stealth also depends on being crit or evading and then the crit immunity depends on being stealthed. But he should be able to gain the TM without gaining stealth as they're technically independent of eachother.


    Let me correct it a little bit. Because if he has taunt doesn't matter if he has stealth stacked with taunt, the taunt will prevent the TM gain but he keeps the crit immune till his turn or dispelled.


    But why does the taunt prevent the TM gain? Shouldn't the TM gain be independent of the stealth buff and only depend on dodging/being crit?


    Because they changed mauls ability so a character that is taunting doesn't get stealth or tm gain on dodge or crit. Read the last part of the ability.


    Here is the mechanics showing if character has taunt buff they don't get tm gaim
  • "scuba;957039" wrote:
    "Vertigo;957025" wrote:
    "scuba;957022" wrote:
    "Vertigo;957011" wrote:
    "scuba;956677" wrote:
    It is a weird interaction.
    If he was stealthed and then gains taunt he keeps the benefits from Zaul stealth because he will keep stealth buff but taunt will take precedence forcing opponents to target him. So he will gain 20% tm on dodge and have crit immunity till he loses stealth.

    If he doesn't have stealth and gains taunt he will not be able to gain stealth so he shouldn't get tm effects on dodge and shouldn't have crit immunity.


    Are you sure about that second part @scuba? the TM gain effects don't depend on the sith having stealth, it depends on them being critically hit or evading. The stealth also depends on being crit or evading and then the crit immunity depends on being stealthed. But he should be able to gain the TM without gaining stealth as they're technically independent of eachother.


    Let me correct it a little bit. Because if he has taunt doesn't matter if he has stealth stacked with taunt, the taunt will prevent the TM gain but he keeps the crit immune till his turn or dispelled.


    But why does the taunt prevent the TM gain? Shouldn't the TM gain be independent of the stealth buff and only depend on dodging/being crit?


    Because they changed mauls ability so a character that is taunting doesn't get stealth or tm gain on dodge or crit. Read the last part of the ability.


    Here is the mechanics showing if character has taunt buff they don't get tm gaim


    Oh I didn't realize they added the TM part lol, my bad haha. I thought it was only the stealth buff.