Smuggler’s Run: Han doesn’t shoot first! Say what?!

"Darknesswon;c-1647933" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647902" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647884" wrote:
The description reads:
Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter. During this turn Han ignores Taunts and can only use his Basic ability, but it will Stun the target for one turn and can't be Resisted.
Noting about TM

The only way to take a turn is to have 100% TM. That is why to get his "bonus turn", he starts with 100% TM.

Not to be too picky , but taking a bonus turn at the start of each encouter means going before turns start , which means no one elses turn meter should have moved. Or else if he goes after someone , how is that a bonus turn? Its not like he then goes twice when its his turn ? Where did his bonus turn go ? Because if i understand correctly , those toons who did go first are already accruing new tm , so where is the bonus ? I could be wrong idk?

Taking a turn at the start of an encounter in this game means getting 100% TM, as this is the only way to take a turn according to the game mechanics. Unless stated otherwise, all toons with 100% TM are subject to the coin flip. This is only recently changed from all toons without exception, with the Thrawn and GMY changes, both of which are to match the stated (or changed) ability description.

In some situations multiple toons can have 100% TM at the start of the event, i.e. - TM loaded event toons, TM loaded TW matches, and GW.

Unfortunately there is no wording in Hans current ability description to allow him to avoid the coin flip mechanics for 100% TM. Maybe that will change, but as of right now, that is the way it is described.

His bonus turn comes from the fact that he did not gain his 100% TM "naturally", hence bonus.

"Kyno;c-1647942" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1647933" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647902" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647884" wrote:
The description reads:
Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter. During this turn Han ignores Taunts and can only use his Basic ability, but it will Stun the target for one turn and can't be Resisted.
Noting about TM

The only way to take a turn is to have 100% TM. That is why to get his "bonus turn", he starts with 100% TM.

Not to be too picky , but taking a bonus turn at the start of each encouter means going before turns start , which means no one elses turn meter should have moved. Or else if he goes after someone , how is that a bonus turn? Its not like he then goes twice when its his turn ? Where did his bonus turn go ? Because if i understand correctly , those toons who did go first are already accruing new tm , so where is the bonus ? I could be wrong idk?

Taking a turn at the start of an encounter in this game means getting 100% TM, as this is the only way to take a turn according to the game mechanics. Unless stated otherwise, all toons with 100% TM are subject to the coin flip. This is only recently changed from all toons without exception, with the Thrawn and GMY changes, both of which are to match the stated (or changed) ability description.

In some situations multiple toons can have 100% TM at the start of the event, i.e. - TM loaded event toons, TM loaded TW matches, and GW.

Unfortunately there is no wording in Hans current ability description to allow him to avoid the coin flip mechanics for 100% TM. Maybe that will change, but as of right now, that is the way it is described.

His bonus turn comes from the fact that he did not gain his 100% TM "naturally", hence bonus.

Errh the title "Shoots First"

Ok. To overly simplify it so everyone gets it: think how Han vs Han works... Regardless of their speed from mods, gear etc. They both have "Shoot First".

The game flips a coin.

"Ztyle;c-1647947" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647942" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1647933" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647902" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647884" wrote:
The description reads:
Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter. During this turn Han ignores Taunts and can only use his Basic ability, but it will Stun the target for one turn and can't be Resisted.
Noting about TM

The only way to take a turn is to have 100% TM. That is why to get his "bonus turn", he starts with 100% TM.

Not to be too picky , but taking a bonus turn at the start of each encouter means going before turns start , which means no one elses turn meter should have moved. Or else if he goes after someone , how is that a bonus turn? Its not like he then goes twice when its his turn ? Where did his bonus turn go ? Because if i understand correctly , those toons who did go first are already accruing new tm , so where is the bonus ? I could be wrong idk?

Taking a turn at the start of an encounter in this game means getting 100% TM, as this is the only way to take a turn according to the game mechanics. Unless stated otherwise, all toons with 100% TM are subject to the coin flip. This is only recently changed from all toons without exception, with the Thrawn and GMY changes, both of which are to match the stated (or changed) ability description.

In some situations multiple toons can have 100% TM at the start of the event, i.e. - TM loaded event toons, TM loaded TW matches, and GW.

Unfortunately there is no wording in Hans current ability description to allow him to avoid the coin flip mechanics for 100% TM. Maybe that will change, but as of right now, that is the way it is described.

His bonus turn comes from the fact that he did not gain his 100% TM "naturally", hence bonus.

Errh the title "Shoots First"

The title is not the description of the ability.

ever seen "lord of hunger" eat anything?..... me either.

"Kyno;c-1647628" wrote:

"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1647601" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647578" wrote:
Correct he doesnt shoot first, but he does get his bonus turn, as described by his ability.

The ability name says “Shoots first” and it says “...bonus turn at the start...”. The name and the “at the start” implies he’s first. In this case he doesn’t shoot first nor when he goes is it “at the start”. One can argue against WAI quite easily in this case.

He gets the bonus turn at the beginning of the match. A turn in this game is denoted by 100% TM. The name is a title and not a description of how the ability will work, that's what the description is for.

As always when multiple toons have 100% TM, there is no guarantee who will go first, although I suspect when event toons have this coded they will go before our side, but still in an order determined by RNG.

Kyno i generally think you have solid points in your post. But these statements you are making in defense on hans zeta is absolutely incorrect and you know as well as anyone that is not the intent of Hans zeta. All things being equal Hans zeta gives him the ability to start first. There is zero elements in this game during pvp that someone other than han goes first ever regardless of their turn meter. The only coin flip occurs if two hans with a zeta are going against each other.

CG has absolutely prevented han zeta from applying otherwise the coin flip of 100% tm would apply equally and either they go first or han does during that mission han will never go first. Hence his zeta is ignored. It's honestly largely irrelevant it doesn't make or break the mission.

But arguing about the intent of Hans zeta imo is bad form to suggest it's simply just 100% tm because it isn't.

"Kyno;c-1647990" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647947" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647942" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1647933" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647902" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647884" wrote:
The description reads:
Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter. During this turn Han ignores Taunts and can only use his Basic ability, but it will Stun the target for one turn and can't be Resisted.
Noting about TM

The only way to take a turn is to have 100% TM. That is why to get his "bonus turn", he starts with 100% TM.

Not to be too picky , but taking a bonus turn at the start of each encouter means going before turns start , which means no one elses turn meter should have moved. Or else if he goes after someone , how is that a bonus turn? Its not like he then goes twice when its his turn ? Where did his bonus turn go ? Because if i understand correctly , those toons who did go first are already accruing new tm , so where is the bonus ? I could be wrong idk?

Taking a turn at the start of an encounter in this game means getting 100% TM, as this is the only way to take a turn according to the game mechanics. Unless stated otherwise, all toons with 100% TM are subject to the coin flip. This is only recently changed from all toons without exception, with the Thrawn and GMY changes, both of which are to match the stated (or changed) ability description.

In some situations multiple toons can have 100% TM at the start of the event, i.e. - TM loaded event toons, TM loaded TW matches, and GW.

Unfortunately there is no wording in Hans current ability description to allow him to avoid the coin flip mechanics for 100% TM. Maybe that will change, but as of right now, that is the way it is described.

His bonus turn comes from the fact that he did not gain his 100% TM "naturally", hence bonus.

Errh the title "Shoots First"

The title is not the description of the ability.

ever seen "lord of hunger" eat anything?..... me either.

If they put an animation of nihilus eating a cheeseburger between p1 & 2 of the sith raid, that would be awesome.

And here I am just wondering about the guy named "Map" In chat that just did an upgrade.

"BubbaFett;c-1647993" wrote:
Bottom line, han should shoot first unless he is going against another han, period, full stop.

This

"Kyno;c-1647902" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647884" wrote:
The description reads:
Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter. During this turn Han ignores Taunts and can only use his Basic ability, but it will Stun the target for one turn and can't be Resisted.
Noting about TM

The only way to take a turn is to have 100% TM. That is why to get his "bonus turn", he starts with 100% TM.

You’re wrong in saying this, otherwise certain events that force the opposing team to get two FULL rounds of turns right off the bat would still be subject to this RNG roll and they’re not.

We’re all aware of what the description says. Beating it into our heads isn’t going to change the INTENT of “shoots first.”

Also, “bonus turn at the start” implies he goes first no matter what, much like Thrawn’s swap and GMY’s bonus turn makes the toon take an immediate turn. Specifically how they switched Thrawn’a swap to do this, it proves that 100% turn meter is not the only way to take a turn, as you say.

You can quote description all day, but it doesn’t change the fact Shoots First should shoot first, and you know it. Your “lord of hunger” comparison is moot, as Lord of Hunger is a metaphorical title for a Sith Lord, not a direct ability. He’s not called Han “Shoots First” Solo.

"Buddy;c-1647995" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647990" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647947" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647942" wrote:

"Darknesswon;c-1647933" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1647902" wrote:

"Ztyle;c-1647884" wrote:
The description reads:
Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter. During this turn Han ignores Taunts and can only use his Basic ability, but it will Stun the target for one turn and can't be Resisted.
Noting about TM

The only way to take a turn is to have 100% TM. That is why to get his "bonus turn", he starts with 100% TM.

Not to be too picky , but taking a bonus turn at the start of each encouter means going before turns start , which means no one elses turn meter should have moved. Or else if he goes after someone , how is that a bonus turn? Its not like he then goes twice when its his turn ? Where did his bonus turn go ? Because if i understand correctly , those toons who did go first are already accruing new tm , so where is the bonus ? I could be wrong idk?

Taking a turn at the start of an encounter in this game means getting 100% TM, as this is the only way to take a turn according to the game mechanics. Unless stated otherwise, all toons with 100% TM are subject to the coin flip. This is only recently changed from all toons without exception, with the Thrawn and GMY changes, both of which are to match the stated (or changed) ability description.

In some situations multiple toons can have 100% TM at the start of the event, i.e. - TM loaded event toons, TM loaded TW matches, and GW.

Unfortunately there is no wording in Hans current ability description to allow him to avoid the coin flip mechanics for 100% TM. Maybe that will change, but as of right now, that is the way it is described.

His bonus turn comes from the fact that he did not gain his 100% TM "naturally", hence bonus.

Errh the title "Shoots First"

The title is not the description of the ability.

ever seen "lord of hunger" eat anything?..... me either.

If they put an animation of nihilus eating a cheeseburger between p1 & 2 of the sith raid, that would be awesome.

Now I know what Nihilus is saying!

"Give me your French Fries."