Smuggler’s Run: Han doesn’t shoot first! Say what?!
Doh! Hey CG, ya might wanna fix this! :* <3
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"SnakesOnAPlane;c-1648815" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648440" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1648409" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648399" wrote:
"Lightsabermon;c-1648326" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648075" wrote:
"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
100% agree.
it doesnt' state he gets the first action. it only states he gets a bonus turn, which is 100% TM. they should word it differently if they have the intent of making him take the first action. much like how they changed GMY description.
He gets a bonus turn at the START. Not the after everyone else goes. Also,"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
Is the start of the encounter the 4th turn?
Finally, i want to see nihileus eating a cheeseburger
Multiple things happen at the start of the encounter, where is it stated that Han is the first to go at the start of the encounter. It's not stated that way, which is why I am just saying I think its WAD. I would love for it to be different and only coin toss with another Han, but they would have to explain the intent in some way different than the current description.
Now I cant get it out of my head, he turns around in the opening scene for the Sith raid, and takes an aggressive bite of a hamburger, throws it down and points his saber at you.
I think they need to address this either way. Even if it is just to change the description. If the bonus turn is just 100% tm they should just change it to say that.
Agreed, but there is no other way in game to take a turn, so bonus turn and 100% are 6 of one, half dozen of the other."DarkHelmet1138;c-1648456" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648440" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1648409" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648399" wrote:
"Lightsabermon;c-1648326" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648075" wrote:
"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
100% agree.
it doesnt' state he gets the first action. it only states he gets a bonus turn, which is 100% TM. they should word it differently if they have the intent of making him take the first action. much like how they changed GMY description.
He gets a bonus turn at the START. Not the after everyone else goes. Also,"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
Is the start of the encounter the 4th turn?
Finally, i want to see nihileus eating a cheeseburger
Multiple things happen at the start of the encounter, where is it stated that Han is the first to go at the start of the encounter. It's not stated that way, which is why I am just saying I think its WAD. I would love for it to be different and only coin toss with another Han, but they would have to explain the intent in some way different than the current description.
Now I cant get it out of my head, he turns around in the opening scene for the Sith raid, and takes an aggressive bite of a hamburger, throws it down and points his saber at you.
I think they need to address this either way. Even if it is just to change the description. If the bonus turn is just 100% tm they should just change it to say that.
Agreed, but there is no other way in game to take a turn, so bonus turn and 100% are 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
They have a way to bypass the coin flip though as seen with the change made to thrawn. If they worded it as gains 100% tm at the start of the encounter, it would make it clear that they don't intend him to bypass the coin flip."Kyno;c-1648512" wrote:
"FailingCrab;c-1648475" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648440" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1648409" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648399" wrote:
"Lightsabermon;c-1648326" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648075" wrote:
"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
100% agree.
it doesnt' state he gets the first action. it only states he gets a bonus turn, which is 100% TM. they should word it differently if they have the intent of making him take the first action. much like how they changed GMY description.
He gets a bonus turn at the START. Not the after everyone else goes. Also,"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
Is the start of the encounter the 4th turn?
Finally, i want to see nihileus eating a cheeseburger
Multiple things happen at the start of the encounter, where is it stated that Han is the first to go at the start of the encounter. It's not stated that way, which is why I am just saying I think its WAD. I would love for it to be different and only coin toss with another Han, but they would have to explain the intent in some way different than the current description.
Now I cant get it out of my head, he turns around in the opening scene for the Sith raid, and takes an aggressive bite of a hamburger, throws it down and points his saber at you.
I think they need to address this either way. Even if it is just to change the description. If the bonus turn is just 100% tm they should just change it to say that.
Agreed, but there is no other way in game to take a turn, so bonus turn and 100% are 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
Thrawn and Yoda's kits both prove this point incorrect.
Those kits have specific wording to do as such. Hans kit does not.
Kyno, brother, they clearly have a way to make him go first.
I never said they didn't. if they do thats great, but it would require a description change. because right now he is WAD.
also as i said, this would probably still not have any effect with the way events are programmed and he would still not go first. or maybe they leave it this way so they can have opponents in events like this go first. who knows."Kyno;c-1648758" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1648743" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648734" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1648701" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648676" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1648633" wrote:
@Kyno
Gaining a bonus turn is defined as gaining 100% TM according to you. So, when B2, JKA, Biggs etc. gain 100% TM through their abilities, why is a different wording used? Why doesn't their description say that they gain a bonus turn? It's inconsistent. Similar behaviour should be described with similar wording. Using a different wording suggests a different behaviour.
I'm not saying, that Han behaves wrong. I'm saying, he doesn't behave as described.
On a side note:
You never answered my question about GMY. When he takes an immediate bonus turn, does he simply immediately gain 100% TM? Or is he guaranteed to always perform the next action even if another toon also has 100% TM? I'm curious.
I see nothing in his description that says he should go before someone else that is at 100% TM at the start of the encounter. But we can agree to disagree and maybe they will chnage this to be more clear.
1- Its a BONUS turn that is irrespective of even his own turn meter according to the wording, the term "turn meter" is not even present in the description whatsoever.
2- Said bonus turn is to take place at the start of the encounter.... Once another toon takes a turn it is, by definition, no longer the start of the encounter.....
If the intention was for him to get 100% turn meter at the start, then they should have written it that way.... Something along the lines of "At the start of the encounter, Han gains 100% turn meter, ignores taunt and his first shot inflicts a one turn stun that can't be resisted"
It's not called "shoots first" for nothing.... I think you are likely correct in regards to this being part of the typically skewed event mechanics....
1- please show me him taking his turn without 100% TM. Also acceptable, any one in any game mode taking a turn without 100% TM. It doesnt exist, because a turn is initiated by 100% TM, regardless of the situation.
2- there are many actions that happen "at the start of an encounter", why should Hans override any others?
If the intention was for him to take the first action or use his alibi before anyone else they should have and could have worded it that way. But they didnt. If they have that intention they should reword it to state that intention, much like how they reworded GMY, and made Thrawns actions match his specific description.
The title is not the description nor is it used in the description. If it was, he may still not shoot first in a han v han team. ( FYI, the universe will implode, trying to figure out which Han shot first.)
His actions should override the others because the start of the battle only occurs once.... sure, other abilities also come into effect at the start, but none of them are damage dealers like shoots first.....
Han getting 100% TM at the start is not proof of anything but lazy programming that doesn't match the description of the ability..... Let's remember that han is an old school toon..... He just likely has never been updated.... It's very likely that just giving him 100% to worked back in the day..... It doesn't now...
It's not lazy, its smart, why reinvent the wheel, but if this was the intention then they should make it so and change the description to match.
They DID reinvent the wheel. First they call it 'gains 100% turn meter' ( Biggs, JKA, B2 and probably others). After the reinvention they called it 'takes a bonus turn', when in fact it's still the same old behaviour. The old version was precise and describe exactly what happens. The all new and shiny version is inaccurate and ambiguous."Kyno;c-1647990" wrote:
ever seen "lord of hunger" eat anything?..... me either.
Just being funny, but if the Lord of Hunger ate he would be the Lord of Sated Hunger..."Waqui;c-1648842" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648758" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1648743" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648734" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1648701" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648676" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1648633" wrote:
@Kyno
Gaining a bonus turn is defined as gaining 100% TM according to you. So, when B2, JKA, Biggs etc. gain 100% TM through their abilities, why is a different wording used? Why doesn't their description say that they gain a bonus turn? It's inconsistent. Similar behaviour should be described with similar wording. Using a different wording suggests a different behaviour.
I'm not saying, that Han behaves wrong. I'm saying, he doesn't behave as described.
On a side note:
You never answered my question about GMY. When he takes an immediate bonus turn, does he simply immediately gain 100% TM? Or is he guaranteed to always perform the next action even if another toon also has 100% TM? I'm curious.
I see nothing in his description that says he should go before someone else that is at 100% TM at the start of the encounter. But we can agree to disagree and maybe they will chnage this to be more clear.
1- Its a BONUS turn that is irrespective of even his own turn meter according to the wording, the term "turn meter" is not even present in the description whatsoever.
2- Said bonus turn is to take place at the start of the encounter.... Once another toon takes a turn it is, by definition, no longer the start of the encounter.....
If the intention was for him to get 100% turn meter at the start, then they should have written it that way.... Something along the lines of "At the start of the encounter, Han gains 100% turn meter, ignores taunt and his first shot inflicts a one turn stun that can't be resisted"
It's not called "shoots first" for nothing.... I think you are likely correct in regards to this being part of the typically skewed event mechanics....
1- please show me him taking his turn without 100% TM. Also acceptable, any one in any game mode taking a turn without 100% TM. It doesnt exist, because a turn is initiated by 100% TM, regardless of the situation.
2- there are many actions that happen "at the start of an encounter", why should Hans override any others?
If the intention was for him to take the first action or use his alibi before anyone else they should have and could have worded it that way. But they didnt. If they have that intention they should reword it to state that intention, much like how they reworded GMY, and made Thrawns actions match his specific description.
The title is not the description nor is it used in the description. If it was, he may still not shoot first in a han v han team. ( FYI, the universe will implode, trying to figure out which Han shot first.)
His actions should override the others because the start of the battle only occurs once.... sure, other abilities also come into effect at the start, but none of them are damage dealers like shoots first.....
Han getting 100% TM at the start is not proof of anything but lazy programming that doesn't match the description of the ability..... Let's remember that han is an old school toon..... He just likely has never been updated.... It's very likely that just giving him 100% to worked back in the day..... It doesn't now...
It's not lazy, its smart, why reinvent the wheel, but if this was the intention then they should make it so and change the description to match.
They DID reinvent the wheel. First they call it 'gains 100% turn meter' ( Biggs, JKA, B2 and probably others). After the reinvention they called it 'takes a bonus turn', when in fact it's still the same old behaviour. The old version was precise and describe exactly what happens. The all new and shiny version is inaccurate and ambiguous.
different description, same mechanic. that is not reinventing the wheel, thats calling it a tire.
he was talking about the programming not the description.- Sacrilege! There are certain things in life you should be able to count on. The sun always rises in the East. The Pope is always Catholic. Matter always proceeds from order to disorder. The swallows always return to Capistrano. And, Han always shoots first!
"Kyno;c-1648512" wrote:
"FailingCrab;c-1648475" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648440" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1648409" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648399" wrote:
"Lightsabermon;c-1648326" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648075" wrote:
"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
100% agree.
it doesnt' state he gets the first action. it only states he gets a bonus turn, which is 100% TM. they should word it differently if they have the intent of making him take the first action. much like how they changed GMY description.
He gets a bonus turn at the START. Not the after everyone else goes. Also,"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
Is the start of the encounter the 4th turn?
Finally, i want to see nihileus eating a cheeseburger
Multiple things happen at the start of the encounter, where is it stated that Han is the first to go at the start of the encounter. It's not stated that way, which is why I am just saying I think its WAD. I would love for it to be different and only coin toss with another Han, but they would have to explain the intent in some way different than the current description.
Now I cant get it out of my head, he turns around in the opening scene for the Sith raid, and takes an aggressive bite of a hamburger, throws it down and points his saber at you.
I think they need to address this either way. Even if it is just to change the description. If the bonus turn is just 100% tm they should just change it to say that.
Agreed, but there is no other way in game to take a turn, so bonus turn and 100% are 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
Thrawn and Yoda's kits both prove this point incorrect.
Those kits have specific wording to do as such. Hans kit does not.
Thrawns kit says swap turn meter. Nothing about automatic next turn. That is only in the game update that updated the command. By your logic, it should be up to a coin toss as much as han.
And nihileus eats part of the hamburger whenever he steals protection."Kyno;c-1648734" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1648701" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648676" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1648633" wrote:
@Kyno
Gaining a bonus turn is defined as gaining 100% TM according to you. So, when B2, JKA, Biggs etc. gain 100% TM through their abilities, why is a different wording used? Why doesn't their description say that they gain a bonus turn? It's inconsistent. Similar behaviour should be described with similar wording. Using a different wording suggests a different behaviour.
I'm not saying, that Han behaves wrong. I'm saying, he doesn't behave as described.
On a side note:
You never answered my question about GMY. When he takes an immediate bonus turn, does he simply immediately gain 100% TM? Or is he guaranteed to always perform the next action even if another toon also has 100% TM? I'm curious.
I see nothing in his description that says he should go before someone else that is at 100% TM at the start of the encounter. But we can agree to disagree and maybe they will chnage this to be more clear.
1- Its a BONUS turn that is irrespective of even his own turn meter according to the wording, the term "turn meter" is not even present in the description whatsoever.
2- Said bonus turn is to take place at the start of the encounter.... Once another toon takes a turn it is, by definition, no longer the start of the encounter.....
If the intention was for him to get 100% turn meter at the start, then they should have written it that way.... Something along the lines of "At the start of the encounter, Han gains 100% turn meter, ignores taunt and his first shot inflicts a one turn stun that can't be resisted"
It's not called "shoots first" for nothing.... I think you are likely correct in regards to this being part of the typically skewed event mechanics....
1- please show me him taking his turn without 100% TM. Also acceptable, any one in any game mode taking a turn without 100% TM. It doesnt exist, because a turn is initiated by 100% TM, regardless of the situation.
2- there are many actions that happen "at the start of an encounter", why should Hans override any others?
If the intention was for him to take the first action or use his alibi before anyone else they should have and could have worded it that way. But they didnt. If they have that intention they should reword it to state that intention, much like how they reworded GMY, and made Thrawns actions match his specific description.
The title is not the description nor is it used in the description. If it was, he may still not shoot first in a han v han team. ( FYI, the universe will implode, trying to figure out which Han shot first.)
1. Assists and counters. They arn’t quite “turns” but they are actions.
2. It doesn’t. All others can happen simutaniusly, however han’s bonus action can’t happen at the same time as other bonus actions.
I assume, when he was added to the game, (not a day 1 player), he was the only start of encounter turn, so he would only coin flip against other raid hans."Kyno;c-1648845" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1648842" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648758" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1648743" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648734" wrote:
"BubbaFett;c-1648701" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648676" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1648633" wrote:
@Kyno
Gaining a bonus turn is defined as gaining 100% TM according to you. So, when B2, JKA, Biggs etc. gain 100% TM through their abilities, why is a different wording used? Why doesn't their description say that they gain a bonus turn? It's inconsistent. Similar behaviour should be described with similar wording. Using a different wording suggests a different behaviour.
I'm not saying, that Han behaves wrong. I'm saying, he doesn't behave as described.
On a side note:
You never answered my question about GMY. When he takes an immediate bonus turn, does he simply immediately gain 100% TM? Or is he guaranteed to always perform the next action even if another toon also has 100% TM? I'm curious.
I see nothing in his description that says he should go before someone else that is at 100% TM at the start of the encounter. But we can agree to disagree and maybe they will chnage this to be more clear.
1- Its a BONUS turn that is irrespective of even his own turn meter according to the wording, the term "turn meter" is not even present in the description whatsoever.
2- Said bonus turn is to take place at the start of the encounter.... Once another toon takes a turn it is, by definition, no longer the start of the encounter.....
If the intention was for him to get 100% turn meter at the start, then they should have written it that way.... Something along the lines of "At the start of the encounter, Han gains 100% turn meter, ignores taunt and his first shot inflicts a one turn stun that can't be resisted"
It's not called "shoots first" for nothing.... I think you are likely correct in regards to this being part of the typically skewed event mechanics....
1- please show me him taking his turn without 100% TM. Also acceptable, any one in any game mode taking a turn without 100% TM. It doesnt exist, because a turn is initiated by 100% TM, regardless of the situation.
2- there are many actions that happen "at the start of an encounter", why should Hans override any others?
If the intention was for him to take the first action or use his alibi before anyone else they should have and could have worded it that way. But they didnt. If they have that intention they should reword it to state that intention, much like how they reworded GMY, and made Thrawns actions match his specific description.
The title is not the description nor is it used in the description. If it was, he may still not shoot first in a han v han team. ( FYI, the universe will implode, trying to figure out which Han shot first.)
His actions should override the others because the start of the battle only occurs once.... sure, other abilities also come into effect at the start, but none of them are damage dealers like shoots first.....
Han getting 100% TM at the start is not proof of anything but lazy programming that doesn't match the description of the ability..... Let's remember that han is an old school toon..... He just likely has never been updated.... It's very likely that just giving him 100% to worked back in the day..... It doesn't now...
It's not lazy, its smart, why reinvent the wheel, but if this was the intention then they should make it so and change the description to match.
They DID reinvent the wheel. First they call it 'gains 100% turn meter' ( Biggs, JKA, B2 and probably others). After the reinvention they called it 'takes a bonus turn', when in fact it's still the same old behaviour. The old version was precise and describe exactly what happens. The all new and shiny version is inaccurate and ambiguous.
different description, same mechanic. that is not reinventing the wheel, thats calling it a tire.
he was talking about the programming not the description.
Still, they reinvented the wheel. The wheel being the description. They Invented a new description for the exact same thing, where they could — and should — have just kept using the wording they already had."Lightsabermon;c-1648942" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648512" wrote:
"FailingCrab;c-1648475" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648440" wrote:
"DarkHelmet1138;c-1648409" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648399" wrote:
"Lightsabermon;c-1648326" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1648075" wrote:
"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
100% agree.
it doesnt' state he gets the first action. it only states he gets a bonus turn, which is 100% TM. they should word it differently if they have the intent of making him take the first action. much like how they changed GMY description.
He gets a bonus turn at the START. Not the after everyone else goes. Also,"Darknesswon;c-1648071" wrote:
And yet thrawn worked incorrectly for a very long time. They state" at the start of the encounter", im sorry if that doesnt mean go first , then it is misleading, since the encounter already started ie enemy going first , thats pretty much telling you when it should occur. Imo
I love this game so its not like its a make or break issue , but i would not mind some clarity from cg on this.
Is the start of the encounter the 4th turn?
Finally, i want to see nihileus eating a cheeseburger
Multiple things happen at the start of the encounter, where is it stated that Han is the first to go at the start of the encounter. It's not stated that way, which is why I am just saying I think its WAD. I would love for it to be different and only coin toss with another Han, but they would have to explain the intent in some way different than the current description.
Now I cant get it out of my head, he turns around in the opening scene for the Sith raid, and takes an aggressive bite of a hamburger, throws it down and points his saber at you.
I think they need to address this either way. Even if it is just to change the description. If the bonus turn is just 100% tm they should just change it to say that.
Agreed, but there is no other way in game to take a turn, so bonus turn and 100% are 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
Thrawn and Yoda's kits both prove this point incorrect.
Those kits have specific wording to do as such. Hans kit does not.
Thrawns kit says swap turn meter. Nothing about automatic next turn. That is only in the game update that updated the command. By your logic, it should be up to a coin toss as much as han.
Thank you for supporting my point regarding Thrawn. However, I doubt the message will sink in on the receiving end. The receiver appears to be immune to facts."Waqui;c-1649223" wrote:
The receiver appears to be immune to facts.
And also conveniently ignores the remarks about GMY's special ability fail.
