So Zeta Finn is useless for the Sith raid...

"leef;c-1480902" wrote:

"B0untryHR7;d-161244" wrote:

zFinn should be capable of doing at least a 10% damage in one of the 4 phases, I find it pointless that he can't.

lmao, what? So you basically want the raid to be 3 fases instead of 4? (assuming guilds have atleast 10 members with zFInn)

come on man. Have you even thought about this before posting?

And if the guild has 10 Reys and 10 deathtroopers you can say the same thing

"Turasleon;c-1480906" wrote:

"B0untryHR7;c-1480891" wrote:

"ChristophIV;c-1480887" wrote:
Around 8m+ p2. Average mods. Love BB8

Yes that's right and this why most people like you don't want others to have him. So you spamm their threads with negative mesages about how we should have been smarter and farmed a completely useless faction(at the time).

Also you probably didn't farm it yourself, you probably was able to afford the mega pack

It kind of just sounds like you're upset you don't have BB8. I mean I get it, but you're being a little toxic man. We don't need more of that around here.

The guy never said anything about you not having BB8, just commented on how well he did with him.

There is a big difference between resistance with BB8 and resistance without BB8. It's two completely different squads and to simply claim that zFinn is capable of all that damage without mentioning that BB8 is part of it, is misleading anyone who reads this. I had a guy in one of my old guilds when BB8 first came to the game. He got FO farmed only because he was a Fo fan boy and he liked them. Of all the zFinns in the guild at the time (approximately 5-6), his was by far the worst in terms of Gear levels and potency and speed mods. Right after BB8 he was the only one who got him 7 stars, his damage went through the roof, having the worst geared and worse modded team with a gear 8 BB8 he was pulling damage in the range of 6-10 million given the learning curve and we were all unable to get even close with our superior modded and geared resistance.

Now good for him and all but you simply cannot understate that zFinn without BB8 doesn't come close to the damage he mentioned and therefore the whole arguement collapses. That's all I was trying to point out

"B0untryHR7;c-1480866" wrote:

"Wkj312;c-1480861" wrote:
I enjoy that the same teams normally don't destroy each raid. It keeps the game fresh, and gives us squads to strive to build.

Noone said destroy the raid, I made that incredibly clear during the post. But why should say Boba, the tie pilots, kylo and ezra, for example, do 1 million and finn cannot even do pull half that?

I'm not going to get into a fight of syntactical nuances and assume you know exactly what I meant. You are whining because a specific team is only okay, and you want them to be great. The 5-10% you want Zinn to be able to do would make the raid easily conquerable if one common team everyone has could quickly taking out a phase or two. This end-game content JUST came out. There is no reason it should be anything but a challenge. There will be new characters and new strategies developed to make the raid easier. But for the time being, this new content is rightfully difficult. My Zinn team still gets decent numbers, so perhaps you need better mods or gears on yours. As for your frustration with Boba and some FO toons finding success, I'm sorry you have trouble with a diverse array of toons being useful. Good luck in future raids.

Edit for typos

"leef;c-1480902" wrote:

"B0untryHR7;d-161244" wrote:

zFinn should be capable of doing at least a 10% damage in one of the 4 phases, I find it pointless that he can't.

lmao, what? So you basically want the raid to be 3 fases instead of 4? (assuming guilds have atleast 10 members with zFInn)

come on man. Have you even thought about this before posting?

Eventually there will be teams capable of 10% or more in a sigle phase. In fact there already are. If you look at my edit I mention specificaly that I'm talking about the final "farm" version after eveyone has settled and they all have their squads and they can clear it without any stress.

I also ended up saying 5-10% with "maxed gear and good mods". I don't think that's excessive. Also leave that asside, not being able to do 1 million with a zFinn is unacceptable period

"Wkj312;c-1480951" wrote:

"B0untryHR7;c-1480866" wrote:

"Wkj312;c-1480861" wrote:
I enjoy that the same teams normally don't destroy each raid. It keeps the game fresh, and gives us squads to strive to build.

Noone said destroy the raid, I made that incredibly clear during the post. But why should say Boba, the tie pilots, kylo and ezra, for example, do 1 million and finn cannot even do pull half that?

I'm not going to get into a fight of syntactical nuances and assume you know exactly what I meant. You are whining because a specific team is only okay, and you want them to be great. The 5-10% you want Zinn to be able to do would make the raid easily conquerable if one common team everyone has could quickly taking out a phase or two. This end-game content JUST came out. There is no reason it should be anything but a challenge. There will be new characters and new strategies developed to make the raid easier. But for the time being, this new content is rightfully difficult. My Zinn team still gets decent numbers, so perhaps you need better mods or gears on yours. As for your frustration with Boba and some FO toons finding success, I'm sorry you have trouble with a diverse array of toons being useful. Good luck in future raids.

Edit for typos

Well I clearly stated a 5-10% with maxed gear and good mods. There are already teams doing more than that and that's pre optimisation, lacking gear, optimized mods, missing zetas and during learninf curve. So those numbers will go up.

I specifically mentioned a 5-10% for the finalized, "farm" version of the raid too. We all know that the hps of the bosses are boosted and it will eventually settle to a lesser value.

Anyhow, i don't see how you managed to pull any numbers with a zFinn team, maybe your definition of "decent numbers" is far from mine. I'm open to seeing screenshots of your performance though

Dilly dilly

First no not completely useless, but no where near as useful as he has been. The stacking tenacity dies reset after a turn.

Each time a raid comes out they always design it against the tricks of the past.

Also just want to add, that even if he was more useful, most of the useful people behind him are used in a JTR .

"B0untryHR7;c-1480950" wrote:

"Turasleon;c-1480906" wrote:

"B0untryHR7;c-1480891" wrote:

"ChristophIV;c-1480887" wrote:
Around 8m+ p2. Average mods. Love BB8

Yes that's right and this why most people like you don't want others to have him. So you spamm their threads with negative mesages about how we should have been smarter and farmed a completely useless faction(at the time).

Also you probably didn't farm it yourself, you probably was able to afford the mega pack

It kind of just sounds like you're upset you don't have BB8. I mean I get it, but you're being a little toxic man. We don't need more of that around here.

The guy never said anything about you not having BB8, just commented on how well he did with him.

There is a big difference between resistance with BB8 and resistance without BB8. It's two completely different squads and to simply claim that zFinn is capable of all that damage without mentioning that BB8 is part of it, is misleading anyone who reads this. I had a guy in one of my old guilds when BB8 first came to the game. He got FO farmed only because he was a Fo fan boy and he liked them. Of all the zFinns in the guild at the time (approximately 5-6), his was by far the worst in terms of Gear levels and potency and speed mods. Right after BB8 he was the only one who got him 7 stars, his damage went through the roof, having the worst geared and worse modded team with a gear 8 BB8 he was pulling damage in the range of 6-10 million given the learning curve and we were all unable to get even close with our superior modded and geared resistance.

Now good for him and all but you simply cannot understate that zFinn without BB8 doesn't come close to the damage he mentioned and therefore the whole arguement collapses. That's all I was trying to point out

While I agree that bb8 makes zeta Finn a lot better, that's definitely not what your message implied. Not sure if you realize it or not, but you basically just came out swinging, and have now derailed the argument entirely.

I get that it sucks to not get characters when they launch, especially legendary ones. But thats how the game is sometimes. I'm sure a few people are kicking themselves for not having characters like death trooper right now.

But thats how the meta works in this game. Content releases, and you adapt. When the HAAT launched there were people scrambling to get characters they didn't think they would need then, too, and other characters that were great previously became obsolete (Old Ben meta, anyone?).

We just don't need more threads with people complaining about things that are within their control. Just need to adapt and move on, like all of us.

"Turasleon;c-1481007" wrote:

"B0untryHR7;c-1480950" wrote:

"Turasleon;c-1480906" wrote:

"B0untryHR7;c-1480891" wrote:

"ChristophIV;c-1480887" wrote:
Around 8m+ p2. Average mods. Love BB8

Yes that's right and this why most people like you don't want others to have him. So you spamm their threads with negative mesages about how we should have been smarter and farmed a completely useless faction(at the time).

Also you probably didn't farm it yourself, you probably was able to afford the mega pack

It kind of just sounds like you're upset you don't have BB8. I mean I get it, but you're being a little toxic man. We don't need more of that around here.

The guy never said anything about you not having BB8, just commented on how well he did with him.

There is a big difference between resistance with BB8 and resistance without BB8. It's two completely different squads and to simply claim that zFinn is capable of all that damage without mentioning that BB8 is part of it, is misleading anyone who reads this. I had a guy in one of my old guilds when BB8 first came to the game. He got FO farmed only because he was a Fo fan boy and he liked them. Of all the zFinns in the guild at the time (approximately 5-6), his was by far the worst in terms of Gear levels and potency and speed mods. Right after BB8 he was the only one who got him 7 stars, his damage went through the roof, having the worst geared and worse modded team with a gear 8 BB8 he was pulling damage in the range of 6-10 million given the learning curve and we were all unable to get even close with our superior modded and geared resistance.

Now good for him and all but you simply cannot understate that zFinn without BB8 doesn't come close to the damage he mentioned and therefore the whole arguement collapses. That's all I was trying to point out

While I agree that bb8 makes zeta Finn a lot better, that's definitely not what your message implied. Not sure if you realize it or not, but you basically just came out swinging, and have now derailed the argument entirely.

I get that it sucks to not get characters when they launch, especially legendary ones. But thats how the game is sometimes. I'm sure a few people are kicking themselves for not having characters like death trooper right now.

But thats how the meta works in this game. Content releases, and you adapt. When the HAAT launched there were people scrambling to get characters they didn't think they would need then, too, and other characters that were great previously became obsolete (Old Ben meta, anyone?).

We just don't need more threads with people complaining about things that are within their control. Just need to adapt and move on, like all of us.

You were commenting on his reply to me, and he has thought you were talking about someone else. This whole thread is becoming a mess of quotes within quotes.

Pants, I've just done the same thing.

Phase 3 during topple.

Not perfect, but it works