Vader and AV have similar TM removal but every time I’ve run them in the Sith raid AV preforms wonderfully sand Vader is a heaping pile of junk. Anyone else seeing this or is it just RNG tricks? I’ve run them both enough with the express intent of seeing if they both function correctly to say that Vader seems bugged. (Please don’t nerf AV to Vader’s level)

Thanks for your analysis! The AV nerf you asked for will be imminent :smiley:

"Old_Man_Jenkins;c-1485088" wrote:The TM reduction works, it's just that the boss gets faster so you don't notice it after like the second hit.zAV lead and zader lead have the exact same TM removal according to the text. And what I’m seeing is AVs is very effective in removing TM and Vader’s isn’t at all. It’s not a matter of the speed gain because that effects both. And AV is still effective. To me it seems like Vader’s lead is getting resisted, which shouldn’t happen.

Vader tm reduction was working last time i played the raid. You just need to time the force crush skill to use only after boss attacks :/

The TM reduction works, it's just that the boss gets faster so you don't notice it after like the second hit.

I'm curious about zVader teams for this as well. Sitting on some zetas right now, and this would be one of the easier teams for me to get up and running, and supposedly works in P1. What composition would be good? Only one with Deathtrooper, or are there versions that are good without him? Because I'd rather save him for Thrawn + Troopers, which is currently my only good team for this raid, if possible.

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BiglippedBeast
7 years ago
Thanks for your analysis! The AV nerf you asked for will be imminent :smiley:
tysonvictor
7 years ago
"Old_Man_Jenkins;c-1485088" wrote:
The TM reduction works, it's just that the boss gets faster so you don't notice it after like the second hit.

zAV lead and zader lead have the exact same TM removal according to the text. And what I’m seeing is AVs is very effective in removing TM and Vader’s isn’t at all. It’s not a matter of the speed gain because that effects both. And AV is still effective. To me it seems like Vader’s lead is getting resisted, which shouldn’t happen.
MasterDassJenni
7 years ago
Vader tm reduction was working last time i played the raid. You just need to time the force crush skill to use only after boss attacks :/
NamelessNate13
7 years ago
The TM reduction works, it's just that the boss gets faster so you don't notice it after like the second hit.
Zevox87
7 years ago
I'm curious about zVader teams for this as well. Sitting on some zetas right now, and this would be one of the easier teams for me to get up and running, and supposedly works in P1. What composition would be good? Only one with Deathtrooper, or are there versions that are good without him? Because I'd rather save him for Thrawn + Troopers, which is currently my only good team for this raid, if possible.
giontza
7 years ago
If you're talking about p3 with sthan then the problem with zader is that you need more attacks per turn. NS have acolyte which does double attack on basic and that makes them work. For zader to work in p3 with sthan you need zeta savage and/or wampa. I don't see any other option out there.
Kreontas7
7 years ago
If you run Dooku and raid Han it's sill very good. (p3 stHan team)
449710430e37db5
7 years ago
"Kreontas;c-1487997" wrote:
If you run Dooku and raid Han it's sill very good. (p3 stHan team)

ISC will work also.
NyKynoe
7 years ago
AV adds both speed, which makes for higher DPS. and since debuffs dont stick, added bonuses of Zader dont mean much.
MasterDassJenni
7 years ago
If you time your attacks to right after the Boss turn the damage over time may stick. You will still need Vader with a lot of potency and the ammount of dots will still be less than what you can do against the Rancor/AAT since they don't have this crazy tenacity up.

But it is still boring and time consuming thanks to the huge health pool and the lack of escape button.