Something needs to be done about matchmaking!

"BadunkAdunk;c-2350516" wrote:
Depends on if you're talking about GAC or TW.

I think if matchmaking in TW were structured exactly like GAC, then that could actually work. But it's not.

Fair enough. The point being GLs don't need to be (and in fact shouldn't be) part of MM.

I think it's generally agreed that something does need done about TW MM.

"BadunkAdunk;c-2350640" wrote:

Guild composition/strength is very dynamic with players leaving and joining. If the TW structure was changed to a structure like in GAC it could easily be exploited

That's a good point.

I guess the only solution is to factor in the GL count then.

No.

"Engage;c-2360635" wrote:
My guilds last match was insanely out of rank yet again. We have 8 GLs vs their 28 GLs. It's like the system doesn't even try to make things fair.

It 100% does not try to make it "fair." This is not new.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2373433" wrote:

"Engage;c-2373419" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2361973" wrote:

"Engage;c-2361956" wrote:

"CCyrilS;c-2361430" wrote:

"K_Ley2;c-2361364" wrote:
Bump

Why? What hasn't been explained yet?

For starters. The people who need to see this and make the required changes to the system have been completely silent. They refuse to do anything to fix content. Matchmaking has been broken for years!
My last message on here from 2 wars ago. We had another matchup in the last war that was even worse.
There is no way that my guild should ever go up against guilds that have 20+ more GLs than us and an easy pass to clear the entire map. Why are we not matched up against similar guilds with similar number of GLs and similar GP ranking? It isn't even close. All we can do is place defenses and hope everyone gets enough points for the second place reward every time.

2 pieces of advice which you are free to heed or ignore…

1) the devs will never change matchmaking to ensure guilds / individuals face a similar number of GLs. You can bump threads as often as you like, but they won’t implement that change, nor should they.

2) A well-run guild should never have to “hope” their members get enough points to earn rewards. Signed up members need to set 2 teams on defence to clear the 50 banner threshold. If your board is filled before all members have had the chance to set 2 teams, your guild leadership need to improve.

It has nothing to do with how many GLs a guild has over another. When there is a clear difference across the board and the guild you face is in a completely different bracket, it makes no sense. I wouldn't expect a guild of unranked, "less than Carbonite" members who started last month to match up against a guild with whales and high tier Kyber players. Not only is it a failure in the system but it is also unfair for everyone involved on both sides.

Ok - it’s just that you have repeatedly raised the GL difference as evidence of the bad matchmaking, so I assumed you think that has something to do with it.

Tell me, what are the odds of a guild with less than 5GL beating a guild with 20+GL? Tell me what is the maximum difference in overall guild participation and stats there can be in any given matchup?
My guild has gone up against a wall of GLs and over 60m active GP difference before. Tell me how that is fair.
You can't because all this time you have been trying to defend that it is as fair of a system as it gets. It's only fair for you because you're probably on the winning side most matchups. I wonder how many winning streaks your guild has had because of it's overabundance in GLs on your side? Don't try and tell me otherwise because then there wouldn't be a point in you wasting your time arguing it so hard because that would prove you wrong if you have been blowing smoke this whole time.
A few years back my guild went a year and a half without winning a single war. The game never matched us up against an easier guild or anything closer to our rank and abilities for that entire time.
Is it so much to ask for a system that takes the average participation and player ranking and matches accordingly?

"DarjeloSalas;c-2375175" wrote:

"Engage;c-2375162" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2373433" wrote:

"Engage;c-2373419" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2361973" wrote:

"Engage;c-2361956" wrote:

"CCyrilS;c-2361430" wrote:

"K_Ley2;c-2361364" wrote:
Bump

Why? What hasn't been explained yet?

For starters. The people who need to see this and make the required changes to the system have been completely silent. They refuse to do anything to fix content. Matchmaking has been broken for years!
My last message on here from 2 wars ago. We had another matchup in the last war that was even worse.
There is no way that my guild should ever go up against guilds that have 20+ more GLs than us and an easy pass to clear the entire map. Why are we not matched up against similar guilds with similar number of GLs and similar GP ranking? It isn't even close. All we can do is place defenses and hope everyone gets enough points for the second place reward every time.

2 pieces of advice which you are free to heed or ignore…

1) the devs will never change matchmaking to ensure guilds / individuals face a similar number of GLs. You can bump threads as often as you like, but they won’t implement that change, nor should they.

2) A well-run guild should never have to “hope” their members get enough points to earn rewards. Signed up members need to set 2 teams on defence to clear the 50 banner threshold. If your board is filled before all members have had the chance to set 2 teams, your guild leadership need to improve.

It has nothing to do with how many GLs a guild has over another. When there is a clear difference across the board and the guild you face is in a completely different bracket, it makes no sense. I wouldn't expect a guild of unranked, "less than Carbonite" members who started last month to match up against a guild with whales and high tier Kyber players. Not only is it a failure in the system but it is also unfair for everyone involved on both sides.

Ok - it’s just that you have repeatedly raised the GL difference as evidence of the bad matchmaking, so I assumed you think that has something to do with it.

Tell me how that is fair.
You can't because all this time you have been trying to defend that it is as fair of a system as it gets. It's only fair for you because you're probably on the winning side most matchups. I wonder how many winning streaks your guild has had because of it's overabundance in GLs on your side? Don't try and tell me otherwise because then there wouldn't be a point in you wasting your time arguing it so hard because that would prove you wrong if you have been blowing smoke this whole time.

I’m afraid that is absolute nonsense. I have repeatedly highlighted how the matchmaking system is weak including in posts in this thread, and have mentioned on these forums several times that the current matchmaking algorithm is the worst one they have ever used.

I’m not responding to the rest of your post because it’s not relevant and based on an incorrect assumption by you.

I’ll just restate what I said on May 22 and leave you to it.

Then why have you been arguing and trolling all this time?
Here I am giving you actual examples of matchups I have been in and all this time you have told me that I am wrong. Not once have you given any form of evidence or example. All you have done is argue your points against mine. I keep giving the same argument because it's all I know and all I have seen when it comes to the outcome of most matchups my guild has been in.

So match making doesn't consider how much difference in gl's,at least keep it close my guild flipside has a little over 30 gl's,are opponent ghost of morits has over 61 gl's,explain how this is fair match making,at least make it close, 30 more gl's is not close can cg do better than this we spend are money too,what gives you give us this kinda match up I don't want to play have the time,when cg doesn't try sometimes.30 gl difference not cool!!!

@Engage Guilds are no longer matched by active GP.

"Waqui;c-2346922" wrote:
@Engage Guilds are no longer matched by active GP.

Then what are they matched on? Them having 60M more points than us is completely unacceptable. Them having 18 GLs while we don't have any viable counters is even worse.
Why are entire guilds being punished just for trying to play the game? Do the devs have any idea how much this upsets all of us who have to deal with this? There have been walls of complaint posts falling on deaf ears and they just don't care. (Mind you some people will complain when it's only a 10M difference.)
I'm still waiting for a response back from a dev or representative.

"Engage;c-2347060" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2346922" wrote:
@Engage Guilds are no longer matched by active GP.

Then what are they matched on?

If you find out please let me know.

The old system had its one flaw but at least it was easy to understand.

"Engage;c-2347060" wrote:

Them having 60M more points than us is completely unacceptable. Them having 18 GLs while we don't have any viable counters is even worse.
Why are entire guilds being punished just for trying to play the game? Do the devs have any idea how much this upsets all of us who have to deal with this? There have been walls of complaint posts falling on deaf ears and they just don't care. (Mind you some people will complain when it's only a 10M difference.)
I'm still waiting for a response back from a dev or representative.

Don't hold your breath.

Mostly agreed OP, although I'm in a 300 mil + guild and GP really isn't an issue. The issue is GL count.

Most of our matchups are completely lopsided in this department. The current guild we're facing has roughly 120 GLs while we have roughly 80. We had no chance from the start.

I don't believe it would matter if the guild had 100 mil+ GP more than us (which they don't, GP is roughly even). The only thing that matters anymore is how many GLs a guild has at their disposal, which CG isn't taking into account. It's not fun. It's demoralizing.

TW is very broken.