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9 years ago

Speed bonus on mods need to be reworked, or why Rey and Leia will become useless

I will try to make my point by using a fairly simple example to illustrate why speeds mods should be reworked. Note in passing, I have only 2 resistance toons so I would not profit from this.

Speed with mods has a diminishing return property. It means that additional absolute point of speed bring less utility to a toon. The problem is that we will see tank and slow hard hitter become impossible to counter attack with glass canon.

Without mods, Rey has 164 speed and Aylaa 119, aka 38% difference. If we give them the exact same set of mods with +70 bonus overall, the difference becomes 23%. However there are mods with +26 speed as additional secondary for a possible max of 160. The difference is then 16% same as having Rey at having Rey with 139 speed without mods. However Aylaa still keeps her higher HP/Prot, defense and utility whereas Rey has no chance to diminish the difference in the other stats.

I hope this make the point devs should rethink speed bonus, otherwise Arena will be infested by speedy tanks...

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  • I'm not sure I get where this is coming from. Mods have been out long enough to see the effect.

    I have not seen anyone dropping rey or leia. I have seen a little more diverse selection of toons(which is great). I'm just not sure OP is really saying anything to back up the title.

    As for some of the possible combinations ppl are putting up, pictures or it didn't happen. There are a lot of possible combinations and yes if you payed off the RNG gods you might see one of n them before you die, but let's be realistic.
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    My problem is 10% with 164 base stats (Rey) equals 16 and this is negligible if you get +26 bonus on secondary.


    Except no.

    Because you can get the same secondary bonuses ON A SPEED SET.

    Which means that, all primaries and secondaries being equal, the speed set is ALWAYS BETTER (if speed is your goal).

    If your whole point is just "choose mods for their primaries and secondaries and not necessarily their set bonuses," then sure, you are correct, just like the dozens of other threads that have repeatedly made the same point.


    max set bonus gives rey +18 speed and aayla +12 speed. Not that big of a difference. Speed mods are mehhh imo.


    But +6 is still a difference. For a character like Rey, going first is pretty much the whole key to her kit. Functionally it's a HUGE difference.

    I've seen entire squads whose speed ratings were all within the same small 10 pt range. Believe it or not, movement order STILL matters greatly, even in circumstances like that.


    I'd rather achieve that high speed/order movement with primary and secundary stats than with speed mods. That +10% with 4!! mods is just not worth it imo. But by all means, do what you think is best, we might even get "diversity" ;)


    That's sorta missing the point...

    You do it with health/offense/whatever mods, and I'll do it with the speed mods having identical primary and secondaries to yours.

    Each of mine will go before each of their counterparts on your team.

    Is the difference always going to have the same impact on the match? Of course not. In many cases it won't even be quite as impactful as an extra 10% health might be. But it WILL be a difference, and it WILL have some impact.


    I'm not sure what point you are trying to make anymore. Is the faster character always going to be faster with the same mods, yes. But i dont think its worth adding that 10% extra speed when i can use other set bonusses. Rey having 30 more speed or 12 more speed than the next guy to move makes no difference.


    Sure, but if "the next guy" is fast enough, Rey NEEDS that extra +16 to go first.

    I'm not here to argue that speed is always best, or that speed mods are always the best. There are plenty of viable strategies in this game.

    I'm arguing against the absurd and unintelligent claims that speed mod set boosts are NEVER worthwhile.


    rofl. listen to yourself man haha. You were trying to make a point about the speed mods, i said i dont think they're worth it. And somehow you turned it into me saying something as absurd and unintelligent that speed mods are NEVER worthwhile all whilst you were merely saying that speed mods could in some specific cases be worthwhile. c'mon man. Downplaying what you said originally and overexaggerating what i said just to call me unintelligent xD

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