So first off, I want the devs to know that i understand that Storm Han can apparently make a huge difference on his own. That he can also make guilds being able to beat Hard Sith. That this wasn't intended. Traya is an OP character that is Meta changing and quite frankly game breaking to the point of who thought this was a good idea? So I can understand why the thought of everyone having such a character would be bad. Heck, watching teams make 20+ million damage on YouTube on Hard more just using Han tells me that mediocre guilds would be running around with Trays. So I can see why you guys are (fixing...) this. At the same time, shame on you. This is rediculous. How come out of the months of planning this, the beta testers, people being paid to look out for this stuff didn't catch this. Honestly I'm shocked that this didn't get found out by us the community accidently by just throwing every team we had at the raid and and then having our minds blown. Not shame on you for taking this away, but for not noticing this. This is your game, your bread and butter that brings home the money for you guys.. and yet you have just infuriated your player base by taking away what seemed to be something you guys ENDORSED!! He's the freaking Character of the month?! It's like you guys put a clue out of "Hey guys, here's a crap character all of you have had 7* for months...." then we happen to come across the fact that he's the best dude to win the raid with? Once again I see that if you guys truly didn't see this coming. It needed to be (fixed) but jeez... way to light fire to the fan base.

We're all mad about it now, but if we were able to cheese our way through half the raid a week after it's released, what do we think that would do to our overall enjoyment of it? So yeah, I'm with you on understanding how this wasn't exactly "intended" but at the same time it's not exactly the most unthinkable strategy, so it should have been caught before this.Fixing "bugs" after they prove incredibly effective is a sure way to lose face with the community, even if it's a reasonable fix. We shouldn't be finding these "bugs" after the release.

That is exactly what I'm saying.

Honestly I'm surprised since their hot fixing tbis that they don't nerf Krennic and death trooper combo. Krennic gets damaged, 50% for 100% tm for DT. I used my team today and did 2.9 million without even trying. 1st time against p3. I have a way better team in mind that will do even better. Zader, 50% chance for 20% tm reduction in resistable. Krennic, DT, Shore trooper so when you use a special attack, 15%tm back to the character and magma. For the double attack on Traya. Aoe for lightsabers. Double attack with tm and deathmark..

This is the thread I was looking for.

"AnnerDoon;c-1482377" wrote:"ARougeRogue;c-1482363" wrote:We're all mad about it now, but if we were able to cheese our way through half the raid a week after it's released, what do we think that would do to our overall enjoyment of it? So yeah, I'm with you on understanding how this wasn't exactly "intended" but at the same time it's not exactly the most unthinkable strategy, so it should have been caught before this.Fixing "bugs" after they prove incredibly effective is a sure way to lose face with the community, even if it's a reasonable fix. We shouldn't be finding these "bugs" after the release. First, this isn't a bug in any way, shape, or form. It's an unintended interaction that was overlooked. But the mechanics are working as written - no bug. Second, I would most definitely get more 'enjoyment' from being able to complete the raid without needing to spend excessive time throwing every character in my roster at it just to barely scratch it for minimal damage. And I'm quite sure you actually agree with me. Otherwise, you would be doing the Pit and Tank Raids starting with your weakest teams first. But, I'm pretty sure you're not. I'll wager that you're using the most effective squad(s) you have so you can do as little as possible to get your rewards. Does it really matter that the raid has just been released? I don't think it does. You're right, I don't disagree with you. I use the most effective squads for both HAAT and HPit (in fact, it's the Ackbar team for both since it works for both). Of course it's fair to point out that 3 of the characters on that team (BB8, CLS, Thrawn) were not released when AAT was released, and the zeta on Asajj was not released either, so I'm using content that came out after the raid was released which makes it very manageable now. I struggled just like everyone else with HAAT for a very long time so it was actually quite rewarding to put together the Ackbar team and do it with ease. That's the kind of "enjoyment" I'm talking about. If we already had characters and teams that could trivialize the raid, what's the point of a new raid? Anyway, I also don't disagree that it isn't a bug, that's why I had it listed in quotations, to emphasis that it's being called that, when we all know it isn't. It is a natural effect of STH's abilities that was overlooked when the raid was made and now it's being quickly backpedaled and changed after being discovered. That's incredibly frustrating and upsetting to the entire community, but I also feel like it would take a great deal of accomplishment away from the raid if it were allowed to continue. If coming up with a working team after a bit of a struggle doesn't appeal to you, I get it, and sorry that you feel that way, but clearly the devs didn't intend for it to be done so easily from Day One.I'm not defending them or these actions (which I think are really unfortunate), but from a game stand point I can see how it undermines the entire purpose of releasing new content if that content is trivialized a week after it's released.

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ARougeRogue
7 years ago
We're all mad about it now, but if we were able to cheese our way through half the raid a week after it's released, what do we think that would do to our overall enjoyment of it? So yeah, I'm with you on understanding how this wasn't exactly "intended" but at the same time it's not exactly the most unthinkable strategy, so it should have been caught before this.

Fixing "bugs" after they prove incredibly effective is a sure way to lose face with the community, even if it's a reasonable fix. We shouldn't be finding these "bugs" after the release.
Tyler4107
7 years ago
That is exactly what I'm saying.
Tyler4107
7 years ago
Honestly I'm surprised since their hot fixing tbis that they don't nerf Krennic and death trooper combo. Krennic gets damaged, 50% for 100% tm for DT. I used my team today and did 2.9 million without even trying. 1st time against p3. I have a way better team in mind that will do even better. Zader, 50% chance for 20% tm reduction in resistable. Krennic, DT, Shore trooper so when you use a special attack, 15%tm back to the character and magma. For the double attack on Traya. Aoe for lightsabers. Double attack with tm and deathmark..
Carth_Onassi1973
Seasoned Novice
7 years ago
This is the thread I was looking for.
ARougeRogue
7 years ago
"AnnerDoon;c-1482377" wrote:
"ARougeRogue;c-1482363" wrote:
We're all mad about it now, but if we were able to cheese our way through half the raid a week after it's released, what do we think that would do to our overall enjoyment of it? So yeah, I'm with you on understanding how this wasn't exactly "intended" but at the same time it's not exactly the most unthinkable strategy, so it should have been caught before this.

Fixing "bugs" after they prove incredibly effective is a sure way to lose face with the community, even if it's a reasonable fix. We shouldn't be finding these "bugs" after the release.

First, this isn't a bug in any way, shape, or form. It's an unintended interaction that was overlooked. But the mechanics are working as written - no bug.

Second, I would most definitely get more 'enjoyment' from being able to complete the raid without needing to spend excessive time throwing every character in my roster at it just to barely scratch it for minimal damage. And I'm quite sure you actually agree with me. Otherwise, you would be doing the Pit and Tank Raids starting with your weakest teams first. But, I'm pretty sure you're not. I'll wager that you're using the most effective squad(s) you have so you can do as little as possible to get your rewards. Does it really matter that the raid has just been released? I don't think it does.

You're right, I don't disagree with you. I use the most effective squads for both HAAT and HPit (in fact, it's the Ackbar team for both since it works for both). Of course it's fair to point out that 3 of the characters on that team (BB8, CLS, Thrawn) were not released when AAT was released, and the zeta on Asajj was not released either, so I'm using content that came out after the raid was released which makes it very manageable now. I struggled just like everyone else with HAAT for a very long time so it was actually quite rewarding to put together the Ackbar team and do it with ease. That's the kind of "enjoyment" I'm talking about. If we already had characters and teams that could trivialize the raid, what's the point of a new raid?

Anyway, I also don't disagree that it isn't a bug, that's why I had it listed in quotations, to emphasis that it's being called that, when we all know it isn't. It is a natural effect of STH's abilities that was overlooked when the raid was made and now it's being quickly backpedaled and changed after being discovered. That's incredibly frustrating and upsetting to the entire community, but I also feel like it would take a great deal of accomplishment away from the raid if it were allowed to continue. If coming up with a working team after a bit of a struggle doesn't appeal to you, I get it, and sorry that you feel that way, but clearly the devs didn't intend for it to be done so easily from Day One.

I'm not defending them or these actions (which I think are really unfortunate), but from a game stand point I can see how it undermines the entire purpose of releasing new content if that content is trivialized a week after it's released.
Tyler4107
7 years ago
That and that Treya is End Game content. Only the best get her. STHAN.. everybody and their brother would have her.
Thenose79
New Spectator
7 years ago
If it's not a bug, which it isn't, then it shouldn't be fixed. Honestly, I applaud those that found it. Every game I know, since I started playing Atari and coleco, has a weakness for each boss that can be exploited. EA, if you F'ed up (again) with shotty business models/rules, than It's on you and you should accept (eat) it. Gamers should be rewarded for finding these weaknesses (as long as they're not cheating (which, again, they are not). Besides, who has time for all this.....these Damn quality of life fixes were meant to make the game less time consuming. Taking days to do a new raid counters that.
ARougeRogue
7 years ago
"Nose;c-1482389" wrote:
If it's not a bug, which it isn't, then it shouldn't be fixed. Honestly, I applaud those that found it. Every game I know, since I started playing Atari and coleco, has a weakness for each boss that can be exploited. EA, if you F'ed up (again) with shotty business models/rules, than It's on you and you should accept (eat) it. Gamers should be rewarded for finding these weaknesses (as long as they're not cheating (which, again, they are not). Besides, who has time for all this.....these Damn quality of life fixes were meant to make the game less time consuming. Taking days to do a new raid counters that.

To be fair, the days of exploiting game glitches are pretty much over. Yes, it was possible to use glitches and exploits in the days of Atari (anything pre-internet access) but nowadays that has changed. If an exploit is found in modern games, they're patched and fixed, even games you purchase and own. This is really no different. The companies that release rushed games and content are within their rights to go back and alter what they've released, so unfortunately it's the players that have to accept it.
swgohfan29
7 years ago
"Nose;c-1482389" wrote:
If it's not a bug, which it isn't, then it shouldn't be fixed. Honestly, I applaud those that found it. Every game I know, since I started playing Atari and coleco, has a weakness for each boss that can be exploited. EA, if you F'ed up (again) with shotty business models/rules, than It's on you and you should accept (eat) it. Gamers should be rewarded for finding these weaknesses (as long as they're not cheating (which, again, they are not). Besides, who has time for all this.....these Damn quality of life fixes were meant to make the game less time consuming. Taking days to do a new raid counters that.

Its not a bug. Its balance. Its why Zylo cant lash out and crit anymore. B A L A N C E. Its why Nutini doesnt exsist. I doubt any of the beta testers would have even thought to use ST Han. Why would they? Its not excatly a good toon. Imagine if CUP was the key. Or uganaut.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
Well now you've done it, they're gonna nerf Mob Enforcer. Take away her detonators.