The ongoing destruction of small guilds

Everyone has to start somewhere. You have content you can complete already. Do that until you're ready for HSR. I remember years ago banging my head against a t5 Rancor raid for months before we graduated to heroic. Someone crybabying that they can't do the hardest content as a newish player is silly, and obnoxious.

Not yet no... At a guild level of 40M... how many g12 toons can you all have at this point that you need/are ready for those rewards? You all will progress and get there just like the rest of us have. This is the lifecycle and how it's always been. HPit was TOUGH for 90% of guilds to finish when it launched. Tier 6 of AAT raid when it first launched was insane. The guild I was in at the time took (literally) a month to complete our first Tier6. And that was the only other option other than heroic. There still are no tiers below that for smaller GP guilds to cut their teeth on. I know this feels like a huge impossible obstacle right now for your guild, but guilds over 150M GP need a challenge too. I don't always love the changes in this game, but they have to play to all levels of players and guilds - they are not catering an experience to just you. It's not personal... it's building the next goal.

"JacenRoe;c-1581273" wrote:
Everyone has to start somewhere. You have content you can complete already. Do that until you're ready for HSR. I remember years ago banging my head against a t5 Rancor raid for months before we graduated to heroic. Someone crybabying that they can't do the hardest content as a newish player is silly, and obnoxious.

But they're not being punished for being a new player, they're being punished for being in a small guild.

I have CLS, RJT and all the Mythic characters and fleets. I rank high in the Arena - both of them.
But I am unlikely to get any of the Heroic Sith rewards - ever. Because I belong to a smaller - friendly, non-elite - guild. So I am going to be outclassed not by players who are better than me but by players purely because they belong to another guild.

That's unfair.

Stenum has understood my point. We are a few (about 10) seasoned, high ranking players in our guild, the rest have just recently reached level 85. 40 members. We do not want to break up the guild just because of Darth Traya shards and G12+ gear, which means these are not obtainable to us. And not because we are new at the game, as we are not.

"DarthSerf;c-1581288" wrote:
Have patience, it's unrealistic for newish players to expect the latest raid toons

No, we're not talking about new or even newish players. We're talking about powerful long time players in a small guild.

We just want a DEV or Crumb or someone to explain the war on non elite guilds what is so hard about telling us why.

90 % of the player base does not want to belong to some "corporate guild with 5 sub guilds spouting trash all day acting like a Sgt Major and getting booted because your not at role call"

What is the financial benefit to CG to destroy guild after guild after guild until your forced to be part of one of these chain guilds run by a bunch kids who have a superiority complex....

Is it you want your mega whales running guilds because a mega whale running a guild even if he's toxic to the game or community is less likely to stop whaling ????

Please explain SOMEONE upstair please explain the simple "War on guilds" your performing over and over IT IS TOXIC to the community maybe not to your CEO's bottom line but toxic to the community....

That's probably NOT beneficial to the CEO's bottom line down the road

"ThwartedThrawn;c-1581287" wrote:
Stenum has understood my point. We are a few (about 10) seasoned, high ranking players in our guild, the rest have just recently reached level 85. 40 members. We do not want to break up the guild just because of Darth Traya shards and G12+ gear, which means these are not obtainable to us. And not because we are new at the game, as we are not.

Same for me. I"ve been playing for over 2 years. Have almost all the characters (missing the droid probe, the Wampa and Darth Traya), almost all of them are 7 star, a lot of zeta and G12, can solo most of the HAAT but my guild is only 50M GP and I don't want to leave this friendly guild for a competitive one.

"Stenun;c-1581279" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1581273" wrote:
Everyone has to start somewhere. You have content you can complete already. Do that until you're ready for HSR. I remember years ago banging my head against a t5 Rancor raid for months before we graduated to heroic. Someone crybabying that they can't do the hardest content as a newish player is silly, and obnoxious.

But they're not being punished for being a new player, they're being punished for being in a small guild.

It's a shame that players can't upgrade their characters. If they could then their GP would grow, and their guild would get stronger. Oh wait...

"Muaddib;c-1581298" wrote:

"Stenun;c-1581279" wrote:

"JacenRoe;c-1581273" wrote:
Everyone has to start somewhere. You have content you can complete already. Do that until you're ready for HSR. I remember years ago banging my head against a t5 Rancor raid for months before we graduated to heroic. Someone crybabying that they can't do the hardest content as a newish player is silly, and obnoxious.

But they're not being punished for being a new player, they're being punished for being in a small guild.

I have CLS, RJT and all the Mythic characters and fleets. I rank high in the Arena - both of them.
But I am unlikely to get any of the Heroic Sith rewards - ever. Because I belong to a smaller - friendly, non-elite - guild. So I am going to be outclassed not by players who are better than me but by players purely because they belong to another guild.

That's unfair.

Ever? Your guild won't ever improve? You can't buy these things from the store with your arena winning crystals? (the new pieces WILL hit stores eventually, they always do) Staying in your guild is your choice. CG isn't punishing you personally for staying. That's not unfair... that's player/guild progression. The new shiny raid gets the new shiny gear/toon. This isn't new or a surprise. CG def earns their lumps of coal for some issues. Putting the best gear/toons in the hardest challenges is as old as games and certainly not CG specific.

Of course the guild will improve, but it's slow.
We're being punished for staying in a smaller guild with newer players and encouraging new talent coming through! *lol* jk

Exclusive characters is one thing but if suddenly my CLS is outclassed by my opponent's CLS purely because my opponent belongs to a different guild, suddenly I'm going to lose and, as you say, the temptation to leave and join a different guild will grow.

And so I do that.

And then all the other elite players in my guild do it, too. What's left of the current guild?

They won't even be able to do Heroic Rancor. The guild will collapse.

THAT is the problem.

It is unfair to the players in smaller guilds and it will cause the death of those guilds if the players have to leave.

"Silent_Storm117;c-1581307" wrote:

"Muaddib;c-1581276" wrote:
I don't always love the changes in this game, but they have to play to all levels of players and guilds.

Pretty sure high end players get more than lower end. Haha.

Does that surprise you?
And please... I do understand the rewards/challenge for the STR under Heroic is NOT balanced and that is holding progression back to an extent.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here... but every time I see these posts all I can think is "Do you think 'competitive' guilds are not friendly?" I've been in something like 6 different guilds (some alliances of guilds, most not) and only one was "unfriendly" and it was super easy to move on. The rest, ESPECIALLY the alliance guilds have been full of truly wonderful people. Frankly, it's mostly the forum here I find toxic. Most players are great in the vast majority of guilds. Seems like Sten and TThrawn are in different guilds but similar situations. Maybe you two should get together and Voltron up. Not to get to HSTR, but to combine two great groups of people.