The *real* state of SWGOH (for most endgamers)

"ZAP;c-1993330" wrote:

"TVF;c-1993315" wrote:

"ZAP;c-1993298" wrote:

"TVF;c-1993293" wrote:

"Old_Man_Kunz;c-1993292" wrote:
Although I don't agree with all of Zippy's points, to me the game is definitely not in a good place right now and after each update it seems to get worse. There are parts of the game that are great but more parts that make me wonder what da heck were they thinking.

My thought is that there are so many aspects of this game that could be different for the good of the game but EA and CG are so out of sync with the majority of the player base that it comes across as they don't give a crap and that's what frustrates me the most about SWGOH.

It's very hard to please everyone, and even harder to know what the majority of the player base actually wants. Other than things that take time to create or things that would alter the in-game economy. If you assume the forum feedback actually represents the global opinion of the player base, then you need to remember that they hate new content as much as no content (ships 2.0, sith raid, geo tb).

Finding out what the majority of what the player base wants and doesn’t want is really not that difficult. It does, however, require competent staff and hours, which requires investment. It’s obvious that CG/EA are either not interested in or not capable of this endeavor.

Ok I'll amend to say they already know what most people want.

1) New content

Being worked on, but everyone hates it when it comes out anyway.

2) More stuff

Bad for game economies and for encouraging spending.

Beyond that, no one agrees on anything and they can't please everyone no matter what.

OK, this is something I actually know what I’m talking about and have experience with within 100 miles of their sacramento office.

I’ll ballpark you some numbers and a rough timeframe to get some reliable results.

3 staff on a contract basis at $5000 a month for 1 month, equaling $15,000 can produce some extremely relevant data in regards to this aspect of the game.

A competent manager could turn that data into millions of extra annual revenue and player satisfaction.

"leef;c-1993405" wrote:

So why aren't they doing that? I mean, if it's 15k per month that could turn into millions each year, what's stopping them?
Forgive me for being sceptical, but can you really blame me? Who would believe some random guy on a forum saying that for 15k a month one of the more successfull freemium games could make millions more per year.

"Gifafi;c-1993303" wrote:

"Zippy_3000;c-1993288" wrote:
Like I said, that’s not the original quote.. it was something she verbalized earlier this year .. it’s been on the forums before. Still, the link shows CG’s lack of respect for any FTP player- IE: the game is p2w. Example:

-release new “must have to compete” characters behind a massive pay wall
-f2p players must plan resources to farm a swath of toons to get the one that whales will just buy out of the gate
- the new must-have dominates for the whales, while f2p tries to catch up
- then f2p base innovates/finds exploits with existing toons to take down “must-have”new paywall toons.
- CG puts a stop to that real quick,ensuring that everyone who wants to truly compete, has to do so primarily with their wallet.

You won’t convince me otherwise. I really don’t understand why people defend them. (CG) There are lots of f2p games out there that are totally balanced, and nowhere near as motivated by greed as CG is. 12 million a month in gross revenue dude. TWELVE MILLION A MONTH. Yet they are constantly dangling **** in front of you to tempt you to just PAY TO WIN. Their greed is disgusting.

no such thing as a pay wall

yes, FREE to play players have to plan while whales can buy.

yes, whales can get things sooner (except for events like GAS. and starring malak. and negotiator. and hoda/wampa etc)

the only thing I can think of was the unintended EP nerf (malak buff I guess is a better way to put it? i don't remember tbh)

Not sure why you think I'm trying to convince you, just pointed out where you are wrong. Facts aren't "defending cg." I'll never understand that argument. "CG says it cost 1 billion to get GAS!" "No, they didn't" "Stop defending them!" WUT

"Zippy_3000;c-1995078" wrote:


The pay wall they use is this:

You can just BUY the character right away vs making people who are f2p spend months farming and planning to get the same thing. By the time they get it, CG has released another paywall character - and the cycle begins again. After 3+ years of playing as f2p I have stables of well geared useless toons and ships that can barely compete because I will never spend money to get this stuff out of the gate. To be honest, I might even consider it if it WASN’T INSANELY OVERPRICED - once again pointing out their GREED.

Probably your Geonosis experience is different than mine - I personally don’t enjoy getting curb stomped in every single battle. There’s a big difference in gaming between facing a challenge, and getting murdered into the ground before you ever had a chance. This wouldn’t be a problem, except that since everyone needs the annoying rewards from geo, there’s no choice but to run it every time. Even though it’s really NOT FUN for most people.

Challenge is not equal to - “let’s just make it super annoyingly difficult UNLESS they have separatists WHICH WE CONVENIENTLY START SELLING IN THE STORE FOR THE LOW, LOW PRICE OF AROUND $1500 FOR THE WHOLE PACKAGE”

Making this stuff isn’t as hard as it seems, and I really can’t understand why people would defend CG. Every, single decision they make is more about GREED AND MONEY rather than making a fun game. I have not seen one single thing added to the game in the last 18 months that isn’t about money.

And yeah - no **** - they need to make money.. all developers do - but there are plenty of other examples of free to play games that aren’t as shamelessly greed-focused as this one is.

"Zippy_3000;d-215467" wrote:

Grand Arena - Matchmaking is very uneven, and game is still struggling with cheaters. Not fun to continuously get beat. Get out the credit card, and you'll have a better chance.

Hoth - Useless, nobody plays this mode

Ship PVP combat - Still massively unfair - basically since the release of the Falcon. Now getting even more silly with Gen Kenobi's ship. Get out the credit card again.

So, being F2P, and having a normal, busy life, I have no chance to compete -

I will constantly be behind the curve -

And now: All fanboys who feel compelled to defend CG / EA for some reason, form an orderly queue to tell me how wrong I am. (You won't convince me.)

"Zippy_3000;c-1993210" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-1992998" wrote:
The devs have literally said they think we should be spending $100 / PER MONTH TO STAY RELEVANT ON A CELL PHONE GAME.


Source?

I can’t find the exact quote- I think it was something that she said at EA this year.. but this tells the same story:

https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/527565-star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-microtransactions

"Indominable_J;c-1995096" wrote:

"Zippy_3000;c-1995078" wrote:


The pay wall they use is this:

You can just BUY the character right away vs making people who are f2p spend months farming and planning to get the same thing. By the time they get it, CG has released another paywall character - and the cycle begins again. After 3+ years of playing as f2p I have stables of well geared useless toons and ships that can barely compete because I will never spend money to get this stuff out of the gate. To be honest, I might even consider it if it WASN’T INSANELY OVERPRICED - once again pointing out their GREED.

That's not a paywall. That's the way many collection-based freemium games work. Long-term F2P can keep up with character farming. If you're judicious with gearing, then you can keep up with meta/raid/event teams, but you don't have the depth that whales have. And heavy spenders who have been playing as long as you have far more well geared characters and ships that aren't currently viable in some game mode.

Probably your Geonosis experience is different than mine - I personally don’t enjoy getting curb stomped in every single battle. There’s a big difference in gaming between facing a challenge, and getting murdered into the ground before you ever had a chance. This wouldn’t be a problem, except that since everyone needs the annoying rewards from geo, there’s no choice but to run it every time. Even though it’s really NOT FUN for most people.

1) Stop assume you're "most people." 2) On the separatist front, only one of the Geos is new--the rest have been in the game for 3+ years. The new Geo was put directly into a cantina node (before signal data existed) making it a very f2p friendly farm. Three of the separatist droids have been in the game a long time, as have Dooku, AV, and Nute. Sure many of them weren't meta, but many of them were not particularly rough to gear because they were old, existing characters. They also make useful teams across multiple game modes, and unlock a legendary that is very useful. This isn't necessarily different than Phoenix in Hoth TB, or Imperial Troopers -- teams that many people didn't have geared up, that needed to be geared for missions.

Challenge is not equal to - “let’s just make it super annoyingly difficult UNLESS they have separatists WHICH WE CONVENIENTLY START SELLING IN THE STORE FOR THE LOW, LOW PRICE OF AROUND $1500 FOR THE WHOLE PACKAGE”

Yeah, it's really ridiculous that a territory battle that takes place on the battle of geonosis, during the clone war, requires separatist characters. Also, I'd note that the best current p4 team is NS, of which AV is the only separatist.

Making this stuff isn’t as hard as it seems, and I really can’t understand why people would defend CG. Every, single decision they make is more about GREED AND MONEY rather than making a fun game. I have not seen one single thing added to the game in the last 18 months that isn’t about money.

And yeah - no **** - they need to make money.. all developers do - but there are plenty of other examples of free to play games that aren’t as shamelessly greed-focused as this one is.

What exactly could they add that wouldn't, in your books, count as being "about GREED AND MONEY"? Any new content has to be more difficult, because if it's easily clearable by people with their existing rosters, it becomes rote very quickly.

"Zippy_3000;c-1995109" wrote:


Exactly this: Engaging content that uses characters THAT WE ALREADY HAVE DEVELOPED/GEARED

But that won’t happen, because there’s no money (well, not as much money anyway) in doing this.

Your geonosis argument is silly. Yes, many of those toons were available before.. but hardly anybody had them maxxed. IE- the majority don’t care about them. So why-oh-why did CG choose Geonosis then? Because it was just another way to sell you something. Why can’t we run hoth at the same time? Because they want to keep the gear scarce - to keep people spending. That hilarious **** statement they made about it being “too difficult for officers” is LAUGHABLE.

There are definitely ways to add new, engaging, AND CHALLENGING, content without it being mostly about CG dangling stuff they want you to purchase in front of you. If you can’t understand this, you are incredibly short-sighted.

And if you think I’m the only one dissatisfied with the state of this game, just look around the forums. There are a lot of end gamers that are unhappy.

CHALLENGING IS NOT EQUAL TO:

Make it so hard it’s almost impossible unless you have very specific toons.

Instead why not: a challenge that can reward not only the dopes who drop $1k+ Per month, but also someone who is f2p - and has already invested tons of hours in the game.

They took the easy / greedy way out, and just made it all about buying more crap from the store. If you doubt this: then why else do you think they immediately put GEONOSIANS and separatists in the store for purchase? Is that some kind of coincidence? Um, no. It’s an OBVIOUS, SCUMMY CASH GRAB.

"Zippy_3000;c-1995109" wrote:
Why can’t we run hoth at the same time? Because they want to keep the gear scarce - to keep people spending. That hilarious **** statement they made about it being “too difficult for officers” is LAUGHABLE.

"Zippy_3000;c-1995109" wrote:
Instead why not: a challenge that can reward not only the dopes who drop $1k+ Per month, but also someone who is f2p - and has already invested tons of hours in the game.