How can this be a fair way for TW battles...? Allowing guilds that have 50m+ more GP to sandbag so they get an easier battle. Our match up this time means my 316m guild is facing a 360m guild that have 68 more GL's than us. I fail to see how this is a good match making system CG. Absolutely ridiculousEven if we put all our GL's on defence they would still have well over half of all the ones we have Stupid stupid stupid

"DarjeloSalas;c-2256931" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256929" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256928" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:It's not always sandbagging.How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names. Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week. ok ok yes maybe there is a chance its not sand bagging but all routes point to it is, but yes i agree there is a very slim chance that it might not be.... but lets face it we all know it is No we don’t. Please stop with your “100% sandbagged” drivel.My guild (320M GP) are fighting this war with 41/50 signed up. There is nothing deliberate about it. In lots of high end guilds TW is optional, because people who sign up but can’t commit to being available to attack are a liability. Yes, the matchmaking sucks and needs addressed, but spouting blandishments about deliberate sandbagging when you know nothing of the sort is not helping the discussion.I just said it might not be sandbagging, but all fingers point to it.... if the match making system was changed to Guild GP and not signed up GP it would solve all the problems But yes it might not be sand bagging.... but sorry in this case i think it is but there is no proof either way so you might be right and so might i

"Zedstar;c-2256935" wrote:"DarjeloSalas;c-2256931" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256929" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256928" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:It's not always sandbagging.How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names. Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week. ok ok yes maybe there is a chance its not sand bagging but all routes point to it is, but yes i agree there is a very slim chance that it might not be.... but lets face it we all know it is No we don’t. Please stop with your “100% sandbagged” drivel.My guild (320M GP) are fighting this war with 41/50 signed up. There is nothing deliberate about it. In lots of high end guilds TW is optional, because people who sign up but can’t commit to being available to attack are a liability. Yes, the matchmaking sucks and needs addressed, but spouting blandishments about deliberate sandbagging when you know nothing of the sort is not helping the discussion.I just said it might not be sandbagging, but all fingers point to it.... if the match making system was changed to Guild GP and not signed up GP it would solve all the problems But yes it might not be sand bagging.... but sorry in this case i think it is but there is no proof either way so you might be right and so might i What this comes down to is, do you want to discuss how they got there so you can try to bash another guild and keep calling it sandbagging or "all fingers point to" anything, or would you rather have a fruitful constructive conversation about ways to change things?------No it should not be guild GP, that punishes guilds that do not want to force players to join or kick someone out who just had a kid and may not eb able to play at a moment's notice for a while. Players have lives and this was a great addition to the game mode.

Me and my guild mates couldn't be more happy! What an absurd matchmaking!

"Zedstar;c-2256972" wrote:"Kyno;c-2256939" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256935" wrote:"DarjeloSalas;c-2256931" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256929" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256928" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:It's not always sandbagging.How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names. Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week. ok ok yes maybe there is a chance its not sand bagging but all routes point to it is, but yes i agree there is a very slim chance that it might not be.... but lets face it we all know it is No we don’t. Please stop with your “100% sandbagged” drivel.My guild (320M GP) are fighting this war with 41/50 signed up. There is nothing deliberate about it. In lots of high end guilds TW is optional, because people who sign up but can’t commit to being available to attack are a liability. Yes, the matchmaking sucks and needs addressed, but spouting blandishments about deliberate sandbagging when you know nothing of the sort is not helping the discussion.I just said it might not be sandbagging, but all fingers point to it.... if the match making system was changed to Guild GP and not signed up GP it would solve all the problems But yes it might not be sand bagging.... but sorry in this case i think it is but there is no proof either way so you might be right and so might i What this comes down to is, do you want to discuss how they got there so you can try to bash another guild and keep calling it sandbagging or "all fingers point to" anything, or would you rather have a fruitful constructive conversation about ways to change things?------No, it should not be guild GP, that punishes guilds that do not want to force players to join or kick someone out who just had a kid and may not eb able to play at a moment's notice for a while. Players have lives and this was a great addition to the game mode.We are all entitled to an opinion mate, i personally believe the match making system is ridiculously flawed and a lot of guilds do sand bag now whether the one we are facing are or whether lucky for them they had a lot of illness or players working etc etc who knows I have looked at the records and stats and its funny how nearly all of their last 7 TW; s there has only been 22 defence slots... seems strange that a guild of 360m would acceptable around 6/7 player who regularly sit out of tw battles, but hey I have no proof they are sand bagging or not the same as you have no evidence to say they are or not..... that’s why in my opinion they are sand bagging But the bottom line is the match making and CG need to fix it so that sand bagging isn't an option guilds can use to cheat as everyone knows that this does happen in the game and that is fact.And yes im very happy to dissus with anyone on how we can make TW match making better for all guilds, looking at how many posts there are just this year on the subject says that it is something CG should be looking to fix asap Ok, so you want to talk about how they get there... ok, sounds good.They dint sand bag, some people have lives and other things that they feel are more important than a game, and luckily they are in an understanding guild that doesnt require them to be there. It is a wonderful part of the game mode and I am more than happy that it exists and it should continue to be there.You have absolutely no proof that any guild you face does anything nefarious, so why try to call them out? Did you lose each of those matches?It's not strange at all that any guild let's people sit out, personally in my 330M GP guild we rarely go into TW with more than 46 players. We had one of our hardest matches when we went in at 40. We regularly have good matches with much back and forth each time. Is it possible your guild is just not built to handle TW?

"Zedstar;c-2256935" wrote:"DarjeloSalas;c-2256931" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256929" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256928" wrote:"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:It's not always sandbagging.How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names. Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week. ok ok yes maybe there is a chance its not sand bagging but all routes point to it is, but yes i agree there is a very slim chance that it might not be.... but lets face it we all know it is No we don’t. Please stop with your “100% sandbagged” drivel.My guild (320M GP) are fighting this war with 41/50 signed up. There is nothing deliberate about it. In lots of high end guilds TW is optional, because people who sign up but can’t commit to being available to attack are a liability. Yes, the matchmaking sucks and needs addressed, but spouting blandishments about deliberate sandbagging when you know nothing of the sort is not helping the discussion.I just said it might not be sandbagging, but all fingers point to it.... No, they don't. I've experienced three 310+ Million GP guilds and in all of them participation was voluntary but once you joined you were required to do your best to win. We often only have 42-45 members join. Your opponents most likely have similar rules and often go in short handed. if the match making system was changed to Guild GP and not signed up GP it would solve all the problemsNo, it won't. In the early days guilds were matched by total GP. It was changed for a reason.

TW Sand Bagging/Match making system seriously broken

51 Replies

ChristophIV
Hero+
5 years ago
It's not always sandbagging.

How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names.
NyKynoe
5 years ago
Those numbers are not quite accurate, you are matched on who joined so the GP is similar, and the GL difference is also going to be different.
zedstar007
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago

"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:
It's not always sandbagging.

How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names.

Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged
zedstar007
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
"Kyno;c-2256923" wrote:
Those numbers are not quite accurate, you are matched on who joined so the GP is similar, and the GL difference is also going to be different.

No your right it might not be 176 GL's but its not gonna be far off is it
ChristophIV
Hero+
5 years ago
"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:

"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:
It's not always sandbagging.

How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names.

Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged

Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week.

Looks balanced on the GP front, going of average GP they have 316.8m GP signed up.
zedstar007
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
"UdalCuain;c-2256928" wrote:
"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:

"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:
It's not always sandbagging.

How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names.

Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged

Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week.

ok ok yes maybe there is a chance its not sand bagging but all routes point to it is, but yes i agree there is a very slim chance that it might not be.... but lets face it we all know it is
zedstar007
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
Still we should never be matched against a guild like this, the problem is the match making system is mentally flawed
zedstar007
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-2256931" wrote:
"Zedstar;c-2256929" wrote:
"UdalCuain;c-2256928" wrote:
"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:

"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:
It's not always sandbagging.

How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names.

Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged

Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week.

ok ok yes maybe there is a chance its not sand bagging but all routes point to it is, but yes i agree there is a very slim chance that it might not be.... but lets face it we all know it is

No we don’t. Please stop with your “100% sandbagged” drivel.

My guild (320M GP) are fighting this war with 41/50 signed up. There is nothing deliberate about it.

In lots of high end guilds TW is optional, because people who sign up but can’t commit to being available to attack are a liability.

Yes, the matchmaking sucks and needs addressed, but spouting blandishments about deliberate sandbagging when you know nothing of the sort is not helping the discussion.

I just said it might not be sandbagging, but all fingers point to it.... if the match making system was changed to Guild GP and not signed up GP it would solve all the problems
But yes it might not be sand bagging.... but sorry in this case i think it is
but there is no proof either way so you might be right and so might i
BloOdbOURnvirUs
5 years ago
I agree, there should be no join option. The entire guild should be placed in tw.
NyKynoe
5 years ago
"Zedstar;c-2256935" wrote:
"DarjeloSalas;c-2256931" wrote:
"Zedstar;c-2256929" wrote:
"UdalCuain;c-2256928" wrote:
"Zedstar;c-2256926" wrote:

"UdalCuain;c-2256921" wrote:
It's not always sandbagging.

How many defence slots you having to set? And have you definitely got the right guild? There's a few alliances out there that make tiny adjustments to the guild names.

Defence slots is 22 and we went in with a full guild so they 100% sand bagged

Again, it's not necessarily sandbagging. People have real lives. Everyone is really quick to accuse people of trying to cheat the system. I shouldn't have signed up for this TW as I have assignments due, but I did. We still are only going into TW with 40 as lots of guildies have stuff on this week.

ok ok yes maybe there is a chance its not sand bagging but all routes point to it is, but yes i agree there is a very slim chance that it might not be.... but lets face it we all know it is

No we don’t. Please stop with your “100% sandbagged” drivel.

My guild (320M GP) are fighting this war with 41/50 signed up. There is nothing deliberate about it.

In lots of high end guilds TW is optional, because people who sign up but can’t commit to being available to attack are a liability.

Yes, the matchmaking sucks and needs addressed, but spouting blandishments about deliberate sandbagging when you know nothing of the sort is not helping the discussion.

I just said it might not be sandbagging, but all fingers point to it.... if the match making system was changed to Guild GP and not signed up GP it would solve all the problems
But yes it might not be sand bagging.... but sorry in this case i think it is
but there is no proof either way so you might be right and so might i

What this comes down to is, do you want to discuss how they got there so you can try to bash another guild and keep calling it sandbagging or "all fingers point to" anything, or would you rather have a fruitful constructive conversation about ways to change things?
------

No it should not be guild GP, that punishes guilds that do not want to force players to join or kick someone out who just had a kid and may not eb able to play at a moment's notice for a while. Players have lives and this was a great addition to the game mode.